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:You've made some apparently helpful contributions, but know that we don't respond kindly to these kinds of accusations.  You're awfully new here to have discovered that there is a vandal site already.  If you wish to deny that atheism leaves a person with no rational basis for morality, maybe Wikipedia would be better for you.  If you're willing to accept the truth, and get over the shock of being exposed to harsh truth for the first time, then you're welcome to stay here and contribute. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 19:27, 10 December 2009 (EST)

:You've made some apparently helpful contributions, but know that we don't respond kindly to these kinds of accusations.  You're awfully new here to have discovered that there is a vandal site already.  If you wish to deny that atheism leaves a person with no rational basis for morality, maybe Wikipedia would be better for you.  If you're willing to accept the truth, and get over the shock of being exposed to harsh truth for the first time, then you're welcome to stay here and contribute. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 19:27, 10 December 2009 (EST)

:Despite your status as moderator, JacobB, I think Mager has a very valid point here.  First, you list Moral Depravity as a cause of atheism, and all of the reasoning from you last post showed moral depravity as a result of atheism.  Secondly, the Moral Depravity argument seems only to apply to Christian morals.  While atheists may not adhere to strict Christian morals, many of their personal beliefs create a vast overlap in the vast field of ethics.  For example, almost all atheists believe it is wrong to kill, based on the human emotion of empathy.  Atheists don't want to be killed, so they won't kill others.  You may point to instances of violence or mass murder by atheists, but mental problems that lead people to commit atrocious acts of violence exist in all groups of people, regardless of belief system.  Take for example the horrible crimes perpetrated by the Spanish dictator Franco.  Franco was a staunch Catholic fighting against the atheistic communists.  Franco killed thousands, despite his Christian principles.  Thus, I propose that while atheists may not abide by Christian morals, almost all people live under many of the same morals, such as not killing or harming others, no matter what system of beliefs they subscribe to.

::Despite your status as moderator, JacobB, I think Mager has a very valid point here.  First, you list Moral Depravity as a cause of atheism, and all of the reasoning from you last post showed moral depravity as a result of atheism.  Secondly, the Moral Depravity argument seems only to apply to Christian morals.  While atheists may not adhere to strict Christian morals, many of their personal beliefs create a vast overlap in the vast field of ethics.  For example, almost all atheists believe it is wrong to kill, based on the human emotion of empathy.  Atheists don't want to be killed, so they won't kill others.  You may point to instances of violence or mass murder by atheists, but mental problems that lead people to commit atrocious acts of violence exist in all groups of people, regardless of belief system.  Take for example the horrible crimes perpetrated by the Spanish dictator Franco.  Franco was a staunch Catholic fighting against the atheistic communists.  Franco killed thousands, despite his Christian principles.  Thus, I propose that while atheists may not abide by Christian morals, almost all people live under many of the same morals, such as not killing or harming others, no matter what system of beliefs they subscribe to.

Also, this is a talk page.  Mager shared a good point, and there is no reason to fire back at him with sarcastic remarks questioning his loyalties to this online encyclopedia.  Also, I'm not sure how the age of Mager's account correlates to him being able to find possible errors or things to improve on.  Finally, I would like to note that you, Jacob, did nothing to respond to Mager's critiques.  Maybe Conservapedia will be able to gain more popularity if the "Talk" page becomes a dialogue in which ideas are tested and questioned rather than a place of dogma.  Would you like me to defend myself from being blocked in advance?  I'm accusing you of being dogmatic because you make no reference to Mager's points in your response.  You solely state that the fact that moral depravity and atheism are inherently linked is true, and any suggestion to the contrary is false.  Instead of blocking me, please consider responding to Mager's or my arguments to promote dialogue on the "Talk" page.

::Also, this is a talk page.  Mager shared a good point, and there is no reason to fire back at him with sarcastic remarks questioning his loyalties to this online encyclopedia.  Also, I'm not sure how the age of Mager's account correlates to him being able to find possible errors or things to improve on.  Finally, I would like to note that you, Jacob, did nothing to respond to Mager's critiques.  Maybe Conservapedia will be able to gain more popularity if the "Talk" page becomes a dialogue in which ideas are tested and questioned rather than a place of dogma.  Would you like me to defend myself from being blocked in advance?  I'm accusing you of being dogmatic because you make no reference to Mager's points in your response.  You solely state that the fact that moral depravity and atheism are inherently linked is true, and any suggestion to the contrary is false.  Instead of blocking me, please consider responding to Mager's or my arguments to promote dialogue on the "Talk" page. -AlexanderMonroe