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Wrong again, sire. I wrote crafted the Oriental article on which the current abomination is based. I copied a version of the article I wrote and then editted further before porting it here.  The bottom line is, it makes no difference how '''I''' define these words. The real truth is that people will say or think whatever they want regardless of whatever is written herein or therein. This argument is not about the meaning of those terms ''per se''. I'm point to those articles as yet one more example of liberal bias which quietly pervades every corner of Wikipedia.  There's nothing the matter with that. Just don't try to pretend like this is NPOV, because it's not. It's a liberal view of the world. [[User:Everwill|Everwill]] 15:28, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
 
Wrong again, sire. I wrote crafted the Oriental article on which the current abomination is based. I copied a version of the article I wrote and then editted further before porting it here.  The bottom line is, it makes no difference how '''I''' define these words. The real truth is that people will say or think whatever they want regardless of whatever is written herein or therein. This argument is not about the meaning of those terms ''per se''. I'm point to those articles as yet one more example of liberal bias which quietly pervades every corner of Wikipedia.  There's nothing the matter with that. Just don't try to pretend like this is NPOV, because it's not. It's a liberal view of the world. [[User:Everwill|Everwill]] 15:28, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
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But---and I just can't help myself---the opening sentence is just plain silly when you think about it: "The Orient is an antiquated term traditionally used in Western culture to refer to the Southwest Asia (Middle East), South Asia and East Asia."  The Orient is not a term used in "Western culture".  The Orient is an '''English''' word. Of course the term wasn't used in the Orient ... they didn't even know England existed!  The term is not antiquated because there is no term which effectively replaced the term.  When one needs to refer to all of that part of Asia which is not Russia, not India, not the Middle East, then there is no better alternative than the Orient. [[User:Everwill|Everwill]] 15:33, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
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