Talk:Romantic Values

Really? Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion are conservative values. Whowudathunk?RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 13:13, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

There is no mention of rum or rebellion on the page. The Romantics valued, individualism, patriotism, nationalism, creativity, and innovation. They also rejected statism. These values embraced the American Dream, it's pretty conservative actually. --YankeeDoodleDandy (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

This page is pretty far off. Ideas such as progressivism and communism came from Romantic values. [1] Individualism and limited government are ideas that come from classicism. [2] There's a reason why when you look at the buildings built by our Founders, they built buildings that look like the Roman era. [3] Progressingamerica (talk) 20:06, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

Wanted to give some additional information here. Romanticism comes about shortly after the French Revolution[4], influences the Germanic Romantics[5], and that's how you end up with Karl Marx.[6] Hegel was a Romantic.[7] Progressingamerica (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

I gitit now. Since Hitler was such a fan of the High Romantic or Late Romantic period (1880-1910, per Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich), therefore "Romantic Values" are "conservative values. The page is looking more and more like parody. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 08:56, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

No, I do not believe that it is correct. Well I agree that limited government came from Classicism. I never said it didn’t. I said the Romantics valued individualism, they may not have created it but they valued it, just like conservatives do today. [8] If Romantics, valued individualism they most likely opposed communism. The Romantics opposed the Enlightenment, which has influenced Liberalism, whereas modern conservatism is similar to Romanticism. [9] The basis of the Enlightenment Karl Marx the father of communism was part of the Enlightenment period, and was expressing reason the same for Adolf Hitler. [10] Overall even if the Romantics did not create conservatism, they did hold conservative beliefs and values. --YankeeDoodleDandy (talk) 12:34, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Age of Reason = rationalism

Romantic Era = emotionalism (in response to rationalism)

The beginning of the Romantic era coincides with the beginning of Age of Metternich, which Marxists call reactionary. Your taking what is basically an artistic and literary label and applying some pseudo-philosophical, political, and sociological meaning to it. Basically, calling "Romanticism" "conservative" is Marxist in origin - the defeat of rational thinking by emotion. By that theory, the Democratic party, the Democratic party platform, the rhetoric of Democratic party candidates, and the thinking of the Democratic part base is conservative.

I think your whole theory is balderdash. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 12:45, 18 April 2020 (EDT)