Talk:Santa Claus
The eventual debate
I know what talk pages are like here, and sooner or later we are going to get into a debate about how acceptable Santa is - does he detract from the celebration of Christ's birth, influence of pagan imagery, undermining future faith in christ by giving children a myth they will have to outgrow, and so on. So, before any of that starts... please, before anyone starts debating, lets at least get the page into a good condition on the non-contriversial bits! Once the history is detailed, the links in, the details done (I want to see a list of Santa movies), then is the time for debate. NewCrusader 19:40, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- Santa doesn't exist. --JESUSCHRIST 20:08, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- I didn't mean that debate - that's an easy one. I just know that a significent number of Christians have 'issues' with Santa, for various reasons theological. NewCrusader 19:14, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
American
Is Santa Claus really an American tradition? I know that Americans have a specific take on Santa, but I believe that he is celebrated widely outside of America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by StevenTramp (talk)
I think the lead section should make it clear that Santa Claus does not exist.
I have also made similar edits on Wikipedia and other wikis. Félix An (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2020 (EDT)
- I'm okay with that, but I suspect some might be opposed to it. This is intended to be a child-safe/family-friendly site, but perpetuating a fairy tale doesn't seem to me like something we need to do. If we can have dozens of articles on sexual perversion (some is gruesome detail), this doesn't seem like a stretch. --DavidB4 (TALK) 13:13, 15 July 2020 (EDT)
- I understand, but any kind of encyclopedia (conservative or otherwise) is supposed to give facts. For some topics, it is debatable what is considered as a fact, but there is no doubt that Santa Claus is not living, and many reliable (and conservative, if you wish) sources mention it. I don't intend to get involved in the more controversial articles of this site, but I do believe that this article should make it clear that Santa Claus does not exist. If kids are able to understand the difference between conservatism and liberalism (and other political viewpoints) and find this wiki, then they are mature enough and should learn that Santa Claus does not exist. Also, this and the corresponding Wikipedia article are at a high enough reading level that little kids would not find the article and read it. Félix An (talk) 17:40, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
When you made your first edits to this article, Felix, you had to insist three times within the first two paragraphs that Santa wasn't real, when a single use of the word "folklore" had already established that. Secondly, the sources you used describing the presents laid under the tree were all from liberal sources, two of which were completely negative, and one of which the reader cannot see unless he's got a subscription to the New York Times. So please explain why you feel those edits are so critical - your words - that they have to be here. Karajou (talk) 16:14, 15 July 2020 (EDT)
- I think "imaginary" is a clearer and simpler word. It would make the article accessible to more people without having to look it up in the dictionary. Félix An (talk) 17:40, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
The edits are critical because the lead section of an article needs to summarize all the important information that a reader needs to know immediately. This is an important fact that everyone needs to know about Santa Claus. Félix An (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2020 (EDT)
