Talk:Capitalism
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"Anti Semitic"? You _are_ aware that Karl Marx was Jewish, right? --BobD 18:09, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
- He was ethnically Jewish yes. However, his parents were converts to Christianity. He was not raised Jewish and wrote many anti-semitic essays. He was a self-hating Jew! Google it. -- CoulterMan 18:14, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
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- an economic system where the means of production are privately owned and operated
It's still capitalism, even if the government runs some businesses. There is no bright line of division between free market capitalism and a totally planned economy. Even under the Soviet Union, there was a thriving black market. Maybe we need an economic spectrum to describe the gradations of control. --Ed Poor 05:21, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
- I endores this view and beleive Marxist rhetoric needs to be kept out of this article. Capitalism is not an ideology, unlike Marxism, and there is no comparison between the two on that basis. RobS 13:07, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
- I'd argue it is, but its tenets are rarely articulated. Anyone want to take a crack at it? (The big one seems to be that ANYTHING a corporation does to make money is inherently good.)
- Don't bother. Gorby tried to salvage what he could, and still is a convinced Communst, but the rest of the planet has rejected the flawed notion that Communism is a completing "ideology" to Captialism. Please, abandon this moot point. RobS 13:37, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
- I'd argue it is, but its tenets are rarely articulated. Anyone want to take a crack at it? (The big one seems to be that ANYTHING a corporation does to make money is inherently good.)
- "It's still capitalism, even if the government runs some businesses." No it isn't!
"There is no bright line of division between free market capitalism and a totally planned economy." Yes, there is! -- AmeriCan 22:32, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
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HEE HEE! Guitarplayer 17:11, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
- The image is to demonstrate the absurdity of image choice at Socialism. --ĤøĵÄmåçħôÅÄtalk 17:12, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
- Ok, I'll play your little game. Thank you for the BBC link, it really was very interesting reading, and something I've wanted to read for a long time. You, sir, have the floor now. Please support any claim you wish to make. Thank you. RobS 17:47, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
- My claim is that if you wish to make a completely inaccurate generalization about a very broad and diverse ideology, that kind of logic should apply to all ideologies. You put socialism in the worst possible light, so I think it is only fair to show capitalism in the worst possible light. Do you disagree? Is there some sort of double standard taking place here? I would propose an image of, say, Alexander Hamilton for the capitalism article, and Karl Marx for the socialism article. Both are extremely relevant figures. --ĤøĵÄmåçħôÅÄtalk 17:51, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
- (A) I disagree with the premise, "Capitalism is an ideology." Now, it is up to you, using an argument or sources other than Marxist, to prove that it is an ideology. But we are getting ahead of ourselves. Right now, you need to support your fundamental claim, using this text, [1], for the statement,
- "Augusto Pinochet, a Chilean capitalist. Pinochet murdered approximately 3,000 "leftist sympathizers" to promote capitalism." RobS 18:07, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
- My claim is that if you wish to make a completely inaccurate generalization about a very broad and diverse ideology, that kind of logic should apply to all ideologies. You put socialism in the worst possible light, so I think it is only fair to show capitalism in the worst possible light. Do you disagree? Is there some sort of double standard taking place here? I would propose an image of, say, Alexander Hamilton for the capitalism article, and Karl Marx for the socialism article. Both are extremely relevant figures. --ĤøĵÄmåçħôÅÄtalk 17:51, 25 June 2007 (EDT)
- Ok, I'll play your little game. Thank you for the BBC link, it really was very interesting reading, and something I've wanted to read for a long time. You, sir, have the floor now. Please support any claim you wish to make. Thank you. RobS 17:47, 25 June 2007 (EDT)