Template talk:Liberalism
It seems that there are so many terms and articles related with liberal characteristics that there is a need for a navbox to link them all together. BrianCo 06:04, 26 February 2008 (EST)
- Hrm. I would say take out the ones which don't have "liberal" in the title, like global warming and gun control, as there's nothing inherently liberal about them. They are topics which have liberal and conservative viewpoints. HelpJazz 16:10, 27 February 2008 (EST)
- HelpJazz, I added them as they are categorized under things like "Liberal Bias" or "Liberal Falsehoods". I know that this could be perceived as some sort of parody so I have refrained from using the template as I think it needs some discussion first. However, there are so many topics on Liberal-related issues that I think it is useful to unite them through a navbox. BrianCo 17:23, 28 February 2008 (EST)
- Oh I didn't realize that! I should probably head over to the talk pages of those articles and petition for the removals of the categories.... I didn't think there was anything wrong with your navbox itself though, it looks very nice. It would be very helpful to keep track of all the liberal articles. HelpJazz 09:07, 29 February 2008 (EST)
- HelpJazz, I added them as they are categorized under things like "Liberal Bias" or "Liberal Falsehoods". I know that this could be perceived as some sort of parody so I have refrained from using the template as I think it needs some discussion first. However, there are so many topics on Liberal-related issues that I think it is useful to unite them through a navbox. BrianCo 17:23, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Template name
Shouldn't this be renamed/moved to Template:Liberal or Template:Liberals instead? Liberalism is a much specific subject and is not necessarily relevant to these subjects. Hammet 18:54, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Use of the template
Since this is being added to several pages and disputed on those same pages, it seems the best place to discuss the use would be here, instead of on every page where it is used. I'll start this discussion. (No need to follow my formatting, btw).
- Pro: handy link to "liberalism traits" on all liberal topics
- Con: is it really needed on all liberal topics? Does the ACLU espouse Hollywood values, or liberal grading, for example?
- Suggest: use this the same way we use every other link template on CP (see, e.g., {{Nb mythology greece}} or {{Scientology}}, or {{Nb_US_universities}}
Discuss. HelpJazz 10:08, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
- Navigation boxes such as these are designed to be put on the pages with the terms or names in the box, not in other pages. Philip J. Rayment 10:29, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
- I agree with Philip. Its use on Richard Dawkins, for example, looks just silly. The list of terms in the template has nothing to do with Dawkins. Its inclusion there looks like an attempt to make the subject of the article look as bad as possible by chucking in a load of other hate-topics (a slur-by-association), rather than an honest attempt to lead the reader to other relevant topics. Use only where appropriate. Unless of course this encyclopedia really has redefined "liberal" to mean "any viewpoint I disagree with". Humblpi 10:35, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
Request for sysop
Philip (or any sysop who reads this), since TK's talk page is protected, can you please direct him to this conversation? He has made no comment in this discussion and is adding this template to every page which involves a liberal. Thanks. HelpJazz 10:42, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
