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:Conservatism '''''has''''' triumphed on many, many issues.  But just as food production has triumphed and far surpassed the demand for food consumption, some pockets of starvation still exist, and thus the triumph of conservatism does not mean that all pockets of liberalism have vanished.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:31, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
 
:Conservatism '''''has''''' triumphed on many, many issues.  But just as food production has triumphed and far surpassed the demand for food consumption, some pockets of starvation still exist, and thus the triumph of conservatism does not mean that all pockets of liberalism have vanished.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:31, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
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::Is it possible to quantify (roughly) where we started c.1600 and where we're at now, then, in terms of conservatism v. liberalism? Taking a 10 point scale of 1 (untrammelled liberalism) to 10 (complete triumph of conservatism), what approximate values would you ascribe to 1600 and 2012?
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::I don't suggest adding them to the essay as such; more as a guide for setting the theory in its proper historical context. 
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::Thanks,
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::--[[User:JohanZ|JohanZ]] 19:03, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
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