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::*It is difficult to undo several decades of babble speak, wherein the leftists sought to remove any connection between the National ''Socialist'' Party and the themselves.  While people have not a care in the world saying Socialist's are leftist, the true fact is, the Nazi's were indeed Socialists.  Aside from Hitler's wacky race ideas, their governing completely fits socialist norms. Perhaps given enough time, they would have even become more communistic in their model.  I know it makes people traditionally molded into lock-step thinking, all one has to do is examine their governmental model, without NSP or Nazi labels on it, and the only conclusion one would make is that it was some typical European Socialist government.  That being said, it shouldn't, IMO, hold up our progress here.  Perhaps a short statement questioning conventional thought as to why Political Scientist's made this error, would be enough....my personal experience mirrors exactly what Rob wrote above.  I was in college, and a wise professor presented several governing models, factual models of actual governments, all with labeling them.  Without exception the class said model "C" was a typical socialist governance model.  We were shocked to learn, absent the racial "facts" that sprung from those anti-Semites sick minds, the (Nazi) National ''Socialist'' Party was indeed just that.--~ [[User:TK|TK]] <sup>[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]</sup> 15:41, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
 
::*It is difficult to undo several decades of babble speak, wherein the leftists sought to remove any connection between the National ''Socialist'' Party and the themselves.  While people have not a care in the world saying Socialist's are leftist, the true fact is, the Nazi's were indeed Socialists.  Aside from Hitler's wacky race ideas, their governing completely fits socialist norms. Perhaps given enough time, they would have even become more communistic in their model.  I know it makes people traditionally molded into lock-step thinking, all one has to do is examine their governmental model, without NSP or Nazi labels on it, and the only conclusion one would make is that it was some typical European Socialist government.  That being said, it shouldn't, IMO, hold up our progress here.  Perhaps a short statement questioning conventional thought as to why Political Scientist's made this error, would be enough....my personal experience mirrors exactly what Rob wrote above.  I was in college, and a wise professor presented several governing models, factual models of actual governments, all with labeling them.  Without exception the class said model "C" was a typical socialist governance model.  We were shocked to learn, absent the racial "facts" that sprung from those anti-Semites sick minds, the (Nazi) National ''Socialist'' Party was indeed just that.--~ [[User:TK|TK]] <sup>[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]</sup> 15:41, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
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::::My view is that [[Fascism]] and [[Communism]] are both [[Totalitarian]]. The battle between the two about 'right' and 'left' is but a [[smokescreen]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 15:54, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
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