| | ::But "we are the world" isn't a translation, it is a metaphor. If John wanted to say "us", he would have said "us" (not to mention August's great points about the sudden change in perspective). "For God so loved us" is outside of any standard translation, completely contradicts the tone John was using, and frankly, sounds bad when you drop it in to the chapter. The change is so jarring, it destroys the lyrical flow that has made this verse such an oft quoted phrase. <br /> But, to be honest, I know this translation is going to stand, because you have your mind made up that every single Biblical translation thus far is some environmentalist conspiracy, and best-of-the-public be darned if they disagree. But I want to be on record as saying that this translation is wrong, self-serving, and only moves the focus away from the glory of Jesus Christ and on to the petty political squabbles of the secular world. [[User:PeterRyan|PeterRyan]] 15:18, 22 September 2012 (EDT) | | ::But "we are the world" isn't a translation, it is a metaphor. If John wanted to say "us", he would have said "us" (not to mention August's great points about the sudden change in perspective). "For God so loved us" is outside of any standard translation, completely contradicts the tone John was using, and frankly, sounds bad when you drop it in to the chapter. The change is so jarring, it destroys the lyrical flow that has made this verse such an oft quoted phrase. <br /> But, to be honest, I know this translation is going to stand, because you have your mind made up that every single Biblical translation thus far is some environmentalist conspiracy, and best-of-the-public be darned if they disagree. But I want to be on record as saying that this translation is wrong, self-serving, and only moves the focus away from the glory of Jesus Christ and on to the petty political squabbles of the secular world. [[User:PeterRyan|PeterRyan]] 15:18, 22 September 2012 (EDT) |
| − | :::κόσμος '''''does''''' mean "the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family" according to Strong's - the same thing that the modern "us" means. The Greek for "us" in John's time would have been interpreted more narrowly than what he intended. John meant everyone, so he used κόσμος, which is what "us" means to listeners today. | + | :::κόσμος '''''does''''' mean "the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family" according to Strong's - the same thing that the modern "us" means. The Greek word for "us" in John's time would have been interpreted more narrowly than what he intended. John meant everyone, so he used κόσμος, which is what "us" means to listeners today. |
| | :::No word is a perfect expression of the intended meaning. In English today, "us" is closer to John's meaning than "world", which has an overly materialistic connotation today.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:33, 22 September 2012 (EDT) | | :::No word is a perfect expression of the intended meaning. In English today, "us" is closer to John's meaning than "world", which has an overly materialistic connotation today.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:33, 22 September 2012 (EDT) |