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Debate:Does the universe include everything, or does something outside the universe exist? (view source)
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This debate is a semantic debate. What is a "universe?" If the universe contains everything, then nothing can be outside everything. This is a mathematical fact easy to prove. If God exists, he must exist within the universe. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 22:44, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
This debate is a semantic debate. What is a "universe?" If the universe contains everything, then nothing can be outside everything. This is a mathematical fact easy to prove. If God exists, he must exist within the universe. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 22:44, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
:To elaborate, if you define the universe as "everything physical" then there can be non-physical things outside it (if non-physical things exist). Some people define it as the (forgive me, but I use wikipedia links) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe observable universe], which only includes objects we can observe from Earth. This is why it's a semantic debate, until you know what each side is talking about. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 21:24, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:To elaborate, if you define the universe as "everything physical" then there can be non-physical things outside it (if non-physical things exist). Some people define it as the (forgive me, but I use wikipedia links) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe observable universe], which only includes objects we can observe from Earth. This is why it's a semantic debate, until you know what each side is talking about. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 21:24, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
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==Paradoxical==
If we consider the idea that "everything" is included in the universe, does that then include the universe itself? It is the general paradox of Set Theory in mathematics: if we define something that includes everything, does it also include itself? It is the thing that has been defined, but is a separate entity BECAUSE of that definition; thereby by existing, defies it's own definition.