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Talk:Bob Jones University (view source)
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Darn right this isn’t Wikipedia. I thought on Conservapedia article edits wouldn’t be deleted unless the matter was first discussed with the person making the edit in question. Guess I was wrong. My edit complied perfectly with the ‘rules’, yet you violated the rules written out at ''Conservapedia: How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia; rule 10 … Conservapedia does not censor any facts that comport with the basic rules.'' Even BJU is acknowledging the story is becoming wide-spread. [[http://bjunews.com/2014/02/08/more-media-outlets-reporting-on-bjus-dismissal-of-g-r-a-c-e-here-are-links-to-every-article/]] The Christian and conservative media are questioning BYU’s reasoning behind their tactics. Yet you want to deny reality by claiming, without merit, this is an obscure allegation. Even more bizarre is your utterly unsupported assertion that sexual abuse is much worse at public schools. You are simply incredible.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:23, 14 February 2014 (EST)
Darn right this isn’t Wikipedia. I thought on Conservapedia article edits wouldn’t be deleted unless the matter was first discussed with the person making the edit in question. Guess I was wrong. My edit complied perfectly with the ‘rules’, yet you violated the rules written out at ''Conservapedia: How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia; rule 10 … Conservapedia does not censor any facts that comport with the basic rules.'' Even BJU is acknowledging the story is becoming wide-spread. [[http://bjunews.com/2014/02/08/more-media-outlets-reporting-on-bjus-dismissal-of-g-r-a-c-e-here-are-links-to-every-article/]] The Christian and conservative media are questioning BYU’s reasoning behind their tactics. Yet you want to deny reality by claiming, without merit, this is an obscure allegation. Even more bizarre is your utterly unsupported assertion that sexual abuse is much worse at public schools. You are simply incredible.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:23, 14 February 2014 (EST)
::Three things here, Norman. First, you're going to present solid, factual evidence of the alleged abuse at BJU, including testimonials from the victims; you will not gather those sources from the mainstream liberal media (New York Times, Wash. Post, CNN, NBC, etc.), and you will not gather those sources whose authors have a bone to pick with Christianity and/or conservatism. Second, you're going to post them here without doing so in a hostile manner. Third, we have repeatedly published news reports against the public school system of sexual abuse against students by teachers, so your claim that it is an "unsupported assertion" is bizarre on your part. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 11:03, 15 February 2014 (EST)
::Three things here, Norman. First, you're going to present solid, factual evidence of the alleged abuse at BJU, including testimonials from the victims; you will not gather those sources from the mainstream liberal media (New York Times, Wash. Post, CNN, NBC, etc.), and you will not gather those sources whose authors have a bone to pick with Christianity and/or conservatism. Second, you're going to post them here without doing so in a hostile manner. Third, we have repeatedly published news reports against the public school system of sexual abuse against students by teachers, so your claim that it is an "unsupported assertion" is bizarre on your part. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 11:03, 15 February 2014 (EST)
:::1. Issuing orders I see, very well. Let me start with a statement from BJU admitting there are abused students attending their university. Given the current climate in our world and the steady stream of heart-breaking revelations of sexual abuse that have taken place in secular and Christian spheres, the Board of Trustees and administration of Bob Jones University have reviewed the University’s counseling practices and current policies that govern our responses to sexual abuse as we learn of it from the students and the constituency we serve. http://www.bju.edu/about/grace.php
:::Alleged BJU victims speak out.
:::Former BJU student Jeffrey Hoffman. http://www.wspa.com/story/24667188/former-bju-students-speak-out-on-canceled-sex-abuse-investigation
:::Erin Burchwell. http://www.wyff4.com/news/local-news/greenville-news/former-bju-student-claims-sex-abuse-was-hidden/24358248
:::Additional conservative sources concerning the alleged abuses and the firing of GRACE, all without a bone to pick.
:::[[http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/grace-abwe-sexual-abuse/]] [[http://www.bju.edu/news/2014-02-13-bju-grace-meet.php?utm_source=News-Events&utm_medium=RSS&utm_content=feed&utm_campaign=RSS-News]] [[http://netgrace.org/wp-content/uploads/Update-February-13th.pdf]] [[http://www.christianpost.com/news/bob-jones-university-abruptly-terminates-relationship-with-grace-led-by-billy-grahams-grandson-114176/]] [[http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/february/bob-jones-university-fires-grace-abuse-investigation-bju.html]] [[http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/organizations/item/28335-bob-jones-university-halts-abuse-probe#.UvbAwHlmlds]] [[http://sharperiron.org/comment/66003]][[http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2014/02/07/bob-jones-university-shuts-down-g-r-a-c-e-investigation/]] [[http://encountergospelnews.blogspot.com/2014/02/bob-jones-university-fires-grace-as-sex.html]] [[http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/2014/02/bob-jones-university-fires-grace-firm-responsible-for-sex-abuse-investigation.html#.UvgsFHlmldt]] [[http://www.blackchristiannews.com/2014/02/bob-jones-university-terminates-contract-with-firm-hired-to-investigate-sex-abuse-reports-1-month-before-findings-were-to-be-released/]] [[http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/why-is-bob-jones-university-so-nervous/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-is-bob-jones-university-so-nervous]] [[http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/24658107/bob-jones-ends-agreement-abuse-ombudsman ]] [[http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/20058800/bju-investigating-abuse-claims ]]
:::2. Where have I been hostile? I’m relentlessly following the rules. Now only if some of my critics would do the same. You know, lead by example.
:::3. I never claimed public school students weren’t subject to abuse. I would be a very stupid person if I were to deny such an obvious fact of life within the American public school system. Please stop misrepresenting my assertions. Schlafly said, ''“Sexual abuse is far worse at public schools, so that entry would be a better location for the issue”''. He did not provide a reference therefore I requested he support his assertion with evidence. I would like to see any evidence concerning the abuse rates between public schools and BJU. I looked but was unable to find anything. Hence my concern. Would you be so kind as to provide the news sources you claim Conservapedia has published concerning the comparative abuse rates between public schools and BJU? Thanks.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:38, 15 February 2014 (EST)