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Debate:Why do fundamentalists take mistranslations seriously? (view source)
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:Umm, I am a fundamentalist, and I don't think the words in the N.T. or O.T. mean virgin. This is one of those words that got translated wrong because of the Catholic Church's wrong teaching on the Virgin Mary. The O.T. word "almah" means divorced woman or widow, same with the N.T. word "parthenos". In the Old Testament the word for virgin is bethulah, so if Isaiah 7:14 wanted to refer to virgins, that's the word it should've used. Almah appears to be a variation of almanah meaning widow. Both almanah and bethulah are used in Leviticus 21:14 - "A widow <'almanah>, or a divorced woman <garash>, or profane <chalal>, or an harlot <zanah>, these shall he not take <laqach>: but he shall take <laqach> a virgin <bathuwlah> of his own people <`am> to wife <'ishshah>." The Isaiah 7:14 prophecy is repeated in Matthew 1:23 and the word used is parthenos. But parthenos cannot mean virgin. As seen from a reading of 1 Corinthians 7, the correct interpretation is widow. In fact, the incorrect reading of 1 Corinthians 7 led to the Catholic belief on priestly celibacy. As far as I'm concerned, Mary was a widow when she married Joseph, and a number of Jesus' siblings may have come from her other marriage. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 03:13, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
:Umm, I am a fundamentalist, and I don't think the words in the N.T. or O.T. mean virgin. This is one of those words that got translated wrong because of the Catholic Church's wrong teaching on the Virgin Mary. The O.T. word "almah" means divorced woman or widow, same with the N.T. word "parthenos". In the Old Testament the word for virgin is bethulah, so if Isaiah 7:14 wanted to refer to virgins, that's the word it should've used. Almah appears to be a variation of almanah meaning widow. Both almanah and bethulah are used in Leviticus 21:14 - "A widow <'almanah>, or a divorced woman <garash>, or profane <chalal>, or an harlot <zanah>, these shall he not take <laqach>: but he shall take <laqach> a virgin <bathuwlah> of his own people <`am> to wife <'ishshah>." The Isaiah 7:14 prophecy is repeated in Matthew 1:23 and the word used is parthenos. But parthenos cannot mean virgin. As seen from a reading of 1 Corinthians 7, the correct interpretation is widow. In fact, the incorrect reading of 1 Corinthians 7 led to the Catholic belief on priestly celibacy. As far as I'm concerned, Mary was a widow when she married Joseph, and a number of Jesus' siblings may have come from her other marriage. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 03:13, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
==I'm not a fundamentalist==
People claim I'm a fundamentalist. They also claim I'm anything else that is in opposition to some belief they have that they put a brand name to. Anyway, to clarify a few important points, Mary said when told by the angel that she would give birth to a son "How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?" (Luke 1:34) Being betrothed to Joseph, this would have made her a subject to adultery in her days, and after she fell pregnant, it was revealed to Joseph that she was indeed given God's seed. To consider that word that you've stated as meaning "from a woman who has never given birth before", it is only half the story. It is misleading to say that maiden doesn't mean virgin, as indeed a maiden CAN be a virgin, although as you state, it could have another meaning. The fact though that Matthew and Luke (Matthew was an apostle) state plainly that Mary was a virgin who became pregnant by means of holy spirit, and apply this to the same scripture in Isaiah 7:14 shows that she was indeed a virgin. Otherwise, how else could God's seed be sinless from the stain of man?
As for the parthenos explanation, have you heard of parthenogenesis? It's worth looking up, because it shows that certain creatures who are not widows are having children...they are virgins...and not hermaphrodites. So Mary was no widow, at least not until the births of all of Christ's brothers and sisters.
Also, to say "the original bible says"...
If you have a copy of this original bible, it would be a precious treasure, as last I knew, we only have translations.
My response therefore isn't in defence of fundamentalists, as I don't know these paralegal terminologies of church and universities (which aren't important according to Jesus), but as for the argument about Mary not being a virgin, I disagree with you. The holiness of Jesus depended on him being born of a virgin.