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:Sam, you have hurt my feelings.  You characterized the conversation I entered into as so enormous and far-reaching that I could never be a part of it without passing a demanding and rigorous extrance exam, naturally, to be determined by you.  No neutral observer would regard resistance to this type of sweeping and contemptuous effrontery (if I take your "Relativity denial" epithet to carry the typical liberal connotations of "denial") as sycophantic towards anyone.  Your inconsistencies between profession and reality indicate to me a desire to entrap your conversational partners rather than a desire to join them in pursuing the truth.  I will adjust my expectations accordingly.  [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 21:22, 7 January 2015 (EST)
 
:Sam, you have hurt my feelings.  You characterized the conversation I entered into as so enormous and far-reaching that I could never be a part of it without passing a demanding and rigorous extrance exam, naturally, to be determined by you.  No neutral observer would regard resistance to this type of sweeping and contemptuous effrontery (if I take your "Relativity denial" epithet to carry the typical liberal connotations of "denial") as sycophantic towards anyone.  Your inconsistencies between profession and reality indicate to me a desire to entrap your conversational partners rather than a desire to join them in pursuing the truth.  I will adjust my expectations accordingly.  [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 21:22, 7 January 2015 (EST)
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:SamHB did not intend any personal offense in his remarks.  It is just that when talking about highly complex areas such as this, people can talk past each other or start quibbling over definitions.  The technical journals are filled with articles that are carefully written with many equations to describe these concepts.  There are also many good physics textbooks.  There is a lot of reliable material outside of CP to demonstrate E=mc<sup>2</sup>.  I must say that most of the argument on the opposing side comes from CP itself or is derived from it.  I suggest that we leave the friendly jousting to those already in the fray, and read a good physics textbook if you want more detail. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 23:48, 7 January 2015 (EST)
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