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Talk:Cockcroft and Walton Experiment (view source)
Revision as of 05:46, January 8, 2015
, 05:46, January 8, 2015You certainly have a way with words!
:Sam, you have hurt my feelings. You characterized the conversation I entered into as so enormous and far-reaching that I could never be a part of it without passing a demanding and rigorous extrance exam, naturally, to be determined by you. No neutral observer would regard resistance to this type of sweeping and contemptuous effrontery (if I take your "Relativity denial" epithet to carry the typical liberal connotations of "denial") as sycophantic towards anyone. Your inconsistencies between profession and reality indicate to me a desire to entrap your conversational partners rather than a desire to join them in pursuing the truth. I will adjust my expectations accordingly. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 21:22, 7 January 2015 (EST)
:Sam, you have hurt my feelings. You characterized the conversation I entered into as so enormous and far-reaching that I could never be a part of it without passing a demanding and rigorous extrance exam, naturally, to be determined by you. No neutral observer would regard resistance to this type of sweeping and contemptuous effrontery (if I take your "Relativity denial" epithet to carry the typical liberal connotations of "denial") as sycophantic towards anyone. Your inconsistencies between profession and reality indicate to me a desire to entrap your conversational partners rather than a desire to join them in pursuing the truth. I will adjust my expectations accordingly. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 21:22, 7 January 2015 (EST)
:SamHB did not intend any personal offense in his remarks. It is just that when talking about highly complex areas such as this, people can talk past each other or start quibbling over definitions. The technical journals are filled with articles that are carefully written with many equations to describe these concepts. There are also many good physics textbooks. There is a lot of reliable material outside of CP to demonstrate E=mc<sup>2</sup>. I must say that most of the argument on the opposing side comes from CP itself or is derived from it. I suggest that we leave the friendly jousting to those already in the fray, and read a good physics textbook if you want more detail. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 23:48, 7 January 2015 (EST)
:SamHB did not intend any personal offense in his remarks. It is just that when talking about highly complex areas such as this, people can talk past each other or start quibbling over definitions. The technical journals are filled with articles that are carefully written with many equations to describe these concepts. There are also many good physics textbooks. There is a lot of reliable material outside of CP to demonstrate E=mc<sup>2</sup>. I must say that most of the argument on the opposing side comes from CP itself or is derived from it. I suggest that we leave the friendly jousting to those already in the fray, and read a good physics textbook if you want more detail. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 23:48, 7 January 2015 (EST)
Ah, my "withering patrician disdain" friend! I'm going to assume, from that discussion of a few months ago (you actually had me perplexed before you told me where it came from), and from your florid writing above, that your feelings are not genuinely hurt, and that some good-natured back-and-forth is OK with you. There is no need to "adjust your expectations" of me—what you see is what you get.
Now, to get to the point, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you need to be an expert on relativity to participate in the discussion, only that you needed to be knowledgeable about the '''relativity debate as it is carried on at Conservapedia'''. Very little scientific expertise is required.
But you need to know, and this is where I think people come up short, that Andy's views on relativity are so unusual that he is probably the only person on the planet who truly embraces them. Whenever someone appears to side with Andy, I assume that he is a vandal or a sycophant, because I find it extremely improbable that another person would hold those views. In the latter case, the person is presumably trying to curry favor, most likely to get some kind of promotion. You already have block powers, and the next step, administrator, is essentially never given out. So, I'm sorry, but coming down on the "E=mc² is liberal claptrap" side is a big red flag issue for me.
So, no, I'm not going to require a "demanding and rigorous extrance exam, naturally, to be determined by [me]". I believe you are fully qualified to discuss relativity. (You certainly have the vocabulary for it :-) So ignore the perceived entrance exam, and go straight to the two bullet points I listed above. And accept my apology for suggesting that some special expertise is needed. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:46, 8 January 2015 (EST)