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Conservapedia talk:Attribution (view source)
Revision as of 17:32, April 24, 2007
, 17:32, April 24, 2007→I think if you look at Rob's protection or torture you'll see what he means: What would you do?
I am saying this ref. to Eminem is ridiculous. You list it among "commonly reported methods include:" and this is not common. That is why I am saying you are pushing your ignorance on people who may not know better. That is hard to describe as anything but propaganda, not just conservative bias. Do you see the difference? What if someone else included "reading the bible" as a common method of torture? Or, say, "playing Billy Graham real loud on a television set night and day?" All youe example does is push your personal agenda on the mistaken belief that it represents a common method of torture. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 13:14, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
I am saying this ref. to Eminem is ridiculous. You list it among "commonly reported methods include:" and this is not common. That is why I am saying you are pushing your ignorance on people who may not know better. That is hard to describe as anything but propaganda, not just conservative bias. Do you see the difference? What if someone else included "reading the bible" as a common method of torture? Or, say, "playing Billy Graham real loud on a television set night and day?" All youe example does is push your personal agenda on the mistaken belief that it represents a common method of torture. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 13:14, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
:Ok, for this discussion, we are seeking an overall guideline, and only using [[Torture]] as an example. Now, you say above, "The ABC article, which you are making so much of, includes these..."; the ''ABC News'' article in fact says,
::''.. ABC News has been told by former and current intelligence officers and supervisors....All gave their accounts on the condition that their names and identities not be revealed... detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made them frantic, sources said....The CIA sources described a list...''
:The question now is, this '''must be attributed to anonymous CIA sources''' and not simply ''ABC News''. Secondly, I would proposes Brian Ross and Richard Espisito also be held accountable as sources of these claims because of this, and ''other'' controversial material in the article. Thirdly, simply citing to "anonymous CIA sources" presents problems in itself as an unwarranted credible source. And fouth, ''ABC News'' past record of must also be taken into consideration.
:So, for the claim "according to ''ABC News''", (a) how would you rephrase that properly, and (b) how can we phrase a guideline to deal with future problematic citations to possibly questionable sources for extremely controversial and inflamitory claims? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 13:32, 24 April 2007 (EDT)