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Talk:Founding Fathers quotes that mention God (view source)
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I really don't trust a blog that sources anti-Christian material to deny "There is no king but Jesus." Second, the reasoning for removing Penn as not a founding father, he died before the revolution?--Jpatt 23:40, 19 July 2016 (EDT)
I really don't trust a blog that sources anti-Christian material to deny "There is no king but Jesus." Second, the reasoning for removing Penn as not a founding father, he died before the revolution?--Jpatt 23:40, 19 July 2016 (EDT)
:Generally, the term "Founding Fathers" is used to refer to the Revolutionary generation, right? Those statesmen and and generals, like John and Samuel Adams, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, etc, who fought during the Revolution or were involved in US independence. William Penn founded Pennsylvania and was active in the settlement of the country, but he died 60 years before the Revolutionary War, and I wouldn't consider him a "founding father", anymore than I would William Bradford or John Smith. Founding Great grandfather, maybe. I don't think he should be included, but obviously, this is a judgement call, and I don't feel strongly enough about it to mind that much if you put the quote back/.
:The thing with the first quote, even if you don't trust the blog, the cite for the "We have no king but Jesus" quote is an unsourced secondary document, and one that doesn't even discuss the quote; just one of a grabbag of Christian sounding statements. So where are they getting it from? How do we know the quote is reliable? That's distinct from some of the other quotes on the page. We can be sure, for instance, that Robert Morris said "Religion is the solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man towards God.", because that comes from an original source; a work written by Morris himself. So what's the original source for the No King but Jesus quote?
:I'm not sure that the blog is sourcing anti-Christian material, really. Its sources are Eades Home Ministry, Charles Jennings, John Ashcroft, Frank Warren Coburn, Rev. Clark, and Sir Richard Sutton. It might use anti-Christian material on other pages, I'm not sure. But regardless, it seems like if we're going to make a quote, we should support it. It seems like there's this tendency all over these days to find stuff that already agrees with us, and then just use it, not worrying about whether its true or not. But I know you're on Conservapedia because you worry about the truth, and you worry about what's real or not; that seems like it is, or should be, at least, the mission of Conservapedia, and it weakens the project, I think, when we allow ourselves to become to credulous, or when we shade the truth to fit our biases. That's not why I'm here, and I'm pretty sure it's not why you're here either.--[[User:Whizkid|Whizkid]] ([[User talk:Whizkid|talk]]) 00:12, 20 July 2016 (EDT)