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What's good for the goose....Well if you watch the video, they make a very convincing case. When will Hillary release her medical records? It's important.--Jpatt 14:55, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
What's good for the goose....Well if you watch the video, they make a very convincing case. When will Hillary release her medical records? It's important.--Jpatt 14:55, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
== How accurate is modern polling when it comes to predicting election results? Is social media a better indicator? ==
"Amid reports today that Gallup, one of the longest running political pollsters, is sitting out the 2016 presidential cycle, concerns grow among the entire polling industry about whether current methodology remains sound. The questions have arisen as broadcast outlets continue to rely on poll numbers to determine which candidates are invited to appear on stage in presidential primary debates."[http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2015/10/gallup-gives-up-polling-firms-uneasy-on-2016-accuracy/]
"Polls in Britain had some poor results in the last few years, including in the Scottish referendum and recent parliamentary elections. In the United States, referendum polls can also often be less accurate than general election surveys."[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/upshot/why-the-surprise-over-brexit-dont-blame-the-polls.html?_r=0]
How accurate is modern polling when it comes to predicting election results?
Is the social media strength of a candidate a better indicator?
Is Trump winning in a landslide delusional?
Personally, I think the Trump vs. Hillary debates could be a decisive factor. Hillary avoids being cross-examined like the plague and she rarely interacts with reporters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:29, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
:About 100 days until a presidential election, the polls have had a 70% accuracy rate.[http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/03/02/could_donald_trump_win_the_general_here_s_when_the_polls_will_tell_us.html]
:Various assumptions about voters may not apply this time though.[http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/08/the_press_and_pollsters_are_putting_too_much_cornstarch_in_the_cherry_pie.html][http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2015/10/gallup-gives-up-polling-firms-uneasy-on-2016-accuracy/][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:14, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
==DNC noise and cell phone jamming==
This is ridiculous. Apparently, the democrats used white noise machines during their convention to dull down the voices to Sanders supporting states. Even more ridiculous is that it sounds suspiciously like they used cell phone jammers to block reception for protesters outside. Hillary really didn't want any bad press. [http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/dnc-keep-press-silent-cell-jamming-signal-officials-barely-acknowledge-use] --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 12:38, 13 August 2016 (EDT)
:America lately has been catching up to Europe in terms of its values as far as a large segment of the population. Hence, the popularity of Sanders.
:Trump is a sign of the far right/right wing populism/[[alt-right]]/anti-immigration gaining popularity like it is in Europe.
:In Europe some of the demonstrations are large and boisterous. In the future, I think it is going to take a lot more than white noise machines to deal with protests. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:28, 13 August 2016 (EDT)
::It's frightening to see that Public Education has so thoroughly brainwashed people that they think socialism will help them. As Hitler said as he pushed his Hitler Youth program, "control the youth and you control the nation." We have our own little successful Hitler Youth program, and no one ever sees it, not even most of the teachers. But here I am preaching to the choir.
:You might be right. Tensions are high between the militant ignorant and the angry abused. The question is who will win, but as long as our Hitler Youth program continues, I can almost guarantee they will. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 14:59, 13 August 2016 (EDT)
== Devout Christian sprinter Trayvon Bromell ... ==
... came dead last in the same final that devout Christian Ussain Bolt won. I don't think God picks sides - these people win or lose based on their hard work and support. [[User:RyanFT|RyanFT]] ([[User talk:RyanFT|talk]]) 08:58, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
:Where is your proof and evidence that God does not pick sides in matters both big and small in various instances? One can look at many events in history and see providence at work (For example, the [[Six-Day War]]). See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMIq6X4zi4 God's hand in the Six-Day War].
:In addition, please see: [[Sports performance: Religious faith vs. atheism]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:43, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::::There are so many examples and counter-examples of people of all sorts of faith triumphing over and being defeated by one another that we would be here all day if we went down that path, and I suspect you have more time to put into the argument than I. Instead friend, perhaps you could offer proof of some ways in which God's favour has been manifested in a sprinter such that he has been granted an advantage? [[User:RyanFT|RyanFT]] ([[User talk:RyanFT|talk]]) 10:17, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
:::::The point is not that God has a preference about who wins, but rather that athletes inspired by [[Christian]]ity do better than those who reject it, such as atheists. Likewise, I don't think God prefers for atheists to be obese, but something about atheism leads to that result.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:43, 15 August 2016 (EDT
"Blessed to finish my first race for the season with a W," the 29-year-old Jamaican sprinter known as the fastest man in the world tweeted to nearly 4 million fans on Saturday.[http://www.christianpost.com/news/jamaican-sprinter-usain-bolt-thanks-god-keeping-him-injury-free-summer-olympics-rio-164193] The fastest man in the world gives God the glory! Many atheists are incapable of running this fast (see: [[Atheism and obesity]]). :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:05, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
:"Morrow up to Silk. Five seconds left in the game. Do you believe in miracles? ... Yes!" - Sports announcer at the 1980 Hockey Olympic game where the American Olympic Hockey team triumphed over the team of the godless Soviet Union and won a gold medal.
:"...Team USA’s 1980 Olympic hockey victory over the Soviet Union truly did seem ordained from heaven." - Real Clear Sports.[http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/sports_broadcasting_calls/united_states_soviet_union_1980.html]
:I hope this clarifies matters. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:02, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::It does not. Men are flawed and these quotes prove nothing. Andy's point about inspiration driving success, however, makes more sense. I just have this thing about people selling incredible achievements short by attributing divine intervention [[User:RyanFT|RyanFT]] ([[User talk:RyanFT|talk]]) 18:17, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
:::[[Faith]] is something more than inspiration, but does not require divine intervention. Indeed, many translations of the [[Bible]] do not refer to [[miracles]] but to "signs" of the underlying reality, which is divine rather than [[atheist]]ic.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 18:28, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::::RyanFT, you said, "Men are flawed". Flawed? That implies an ideal standard for a being - namely God. I take it it you are not an atheist. If you are an atheist, using the [[definition of atheism]] used by encyclopedias of philosophy, what proof and evidence do you have that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:32, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
== Gabby Douglas ==
From the linked article "She was attacked on social media for not placing her hand over her heart during the playing of the national anthem after the Americans won the team all-around event ". What would Conservapedia's attitude be were an atheist athlete, if such a thing exists, to do the same during a medal ceremony? [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] ([[User talk:Davidspencer|talk]]) 10:08, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
:I don't think [[conservative]]s criticize this sort of thing by athletes, particularly when inadvertent. Regardless, the bullying of Gabby Douglas on social media has extended far beyond (and also preceded) the issue of the medal ceremony. The only plausible motivation for the repeated bullying is because she is an outspoken [[Christian]]. But thanks for your comment.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:07, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::An American, black, woman, Olympic athlete in who is an atheist - very unlikely!!! (See: [[Western atheism and race]] and [[Atheism and women]] and [[American atheism]] and [[Sports performance: Religious faith vs. atheism]]).
::In addition, Gabby experienced poverty as a child.[http://beta.deseretnews.com/article/865659764/US-Olympian-Gabby-Douglas-intense-Christian-faith-2-and-its-profound-role-in-her-quest-for.html?pg=all] And we know that Western atheists tend to be arrogant individuals who are fairly well off and foolishly think they don't need God (see: [[Persecution of atheists#Claims of being an oppressed minority by American atheists are often not taken seriously|Claims of being an oppressed minority by American atheists are often not taken seriously]] and [[Atheism and arrogance]] and [[Atheism and Hell]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:50, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
As usual, I am charmed by Cons's statistical claims, and especially by his attempts to support his assertions by references (7 of them!) to his own writings. Are we supposed to read them??? And is Gabby unlikely relative to the whole population of the planet? Relative to Christians? To atheists? To Olympic athletes? To black people? You have to define the universe of your statistical sample.
There is a good summary of the criticisms [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/leave-gabby-douglas-the-f-alone-show-her-love-instead_us_57b1c61de4b069e7e505cc4c? here]. They are, of course, really stupid. She got criticized for carelessly not placing her hand over her heart at a ceremony (no one doubts her patriotism!), and for her hair (really, what's wrong with it?) and for her facial expression (huh???)
None of the criticisms, at least in the referenced article, were for her being a Christian. So I don't follow Andy's line of reasoning that "The only plausible motivation ..." is that she is a Christian. Are there known criticisms, not in the referenced article, over her Christianity? Can you cite them? Or is there some line of reasoning that, whenever a Christian is criticized, there must be some religious motivation underlying it? I am not aware of any such line of reasoning. And, as a Christian who is occasionally criticized for things (not related to religion), I think I would have noticed this.
It's really unfortunate that these utterly unfair criticisms were made, and that they bothered her. And may have contributed to her less-than-perfect performance. I can only say that, as a Christian, she knows how to rise above these small-minded attacks. I'm tempted to put in a few references to Matthew here, but I don't need to. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:09, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
:I do not want to date myself, but I grew up in a traditional town with very traditional teachers who were strict about civic protocols. We were told repeatedly that one should put his hand on his heart for reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and should stand at attention facing the flag for the national anthem. If someone switched them around, they were rebuked by the teacher (on the assumption that the student could not tell the difference between the two different items.) Who said that you are supposed to put your hand over your heart for the national anthem? Nor should you try to sing the Pledge of Allegiance. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:45, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::SamHB, I didn't merely attempt to support my claims via various articles the User: Conservative account wrote. I did support my claims.
::Second, your whining about me using articles that the User: Conservative account wrote is an example of someone using the [[genetic fallacy]]. In addition, the 7 articles are supported via reasonable sources with relevant information and the articles are footnoted. So you are being rather petty. Furthermore, the British atheist editor of Conservapedia EJamesW admitted about the atheism articles posted by the User: Conservative account: "...they're very detailed, thorough and have lots of quotes and citations." (see: [[Essay: A British atheist on Conservapedia's atheism articles]]).
::Third, as far as your comment about readers taking the time to read the 7 articles, I certainly wouldn't expect someone who is being illogical, engaging in petty complaining and being intellectually lazy to read the articles. So I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't read the 7 articles.
::If you could be more logical, less intellectually lazy and less petty in the future, it would be appreciated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:35, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
:::(edit conflict) In independent response to SamHB's comments, they strike me as a classic example of [[liberal denial]]. '''''Why''''' was Gabby Douglas so unfairly criticized? That question cries out for an answer. And the answer is obvious: because she was a [[Tim Tebow]]-type of athlete, and being African American with such outspoken [[Christianity]] is something [[liberals]] don't like. So they worked overtime to try to bring her down. It's no answer to say that she should have withstood it, as SamHB implies, which simply adds to the unfairness of it all.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:43, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::::The word "denial", as you are using it, refers to a pathological refusal to accept that which is clearly true. What I do not accept is your claim, a few paragraphs above, that "The only plausible motivation for the repeated bullying is because she is an outspoken Christian." Can you explain your line of reasoning? Can you explain why you say that "outspoken Christianity is something liberals don't like"? None of my acquaintances, most of whom are liberals, dislikes Christianity, outspoken or otherwise. I read a great number of news articles, columns, and editorials from the mainstream media, which, as you know, is dominated by liberals. This includes NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox, WSJ, NYT, WashPo, HuffPo, etc. (See, Cons, I'm not lazy about reading stuff; just about reading ''your'' stuff.) I don't recall anyone writing in opposition to Christianity. And I would notice such things. Do you hang out with the wrong sorts of acquaintances? Do you perhaps pick this stuff up from the sleazy/tabloid press (Twitter, Facebook, etc?) Or perhaps from the sorts of weird things that Cons reads so much? Can you give a specific citation of any article in the mainstream press of someone "disliking Christianity"? Or disliking Gabby Douglas because she is a Christian? The only things I can find are the scurrilous garbage described in the HuffPo article I cited above. And none of that was over her religion; it was about her hair or her facial expression. Complete garbage.
::::About saying she should have withstood it, I was not excusing these attacks in any way. I was simply saying that, in accordance with, for example, Matthew 5:10-11, she knows that she is blessed. Jesus was not excusing the persecution, just saying that the victims are blessed, and that their reward in heaven will be great. I was simply saying that Miss Douglas might draw comfort from knowing that. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
:::::SamHB, you're free to deny obvious bias against outspoken Christian athletes. But be aware that determined denials ultimately lose credibility.
:::::Do you even deny that [[Tim Tebow]] was criticized more harshly, and more unfairly, than other quarterbacks? If you take your denial to that level, the loss in credibility will be complete. If, however, you admit that [[liberals]] criticized Tebow more harshly than others, then why do you deny it with respect to [[Gabby Douglas]]? Notice that you never provide an alternative plausible explanation for the unfair criticism of Douglas.
:::::You say that liberals do not criticize their Christianity specifically, but it is obvious why they criticize other things instead. If any liberal criticized someone directly for being a Christian, then the liberal would lose support. Liberals are not '''''that''''' dumb.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 01:04, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
::::::Maybe. Then again, Seth MacFarlane DOES constantly demonize Christianity directly, and last I checked, he didn't lose his support from fellow liberals (otherwise, they would have all but ensured he be shut down), so we can't say with absolute certainty that they aren't that dumb. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 10:55, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
::::There is a long [http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-oly-national-anthem-plaschke-20160810-snap-story.html article] in the LA Times about her demeanor during the National Anthem. But I have not been able to find ''any'' article, column, or editorial about her religion. (Though I have not, and will not, scan the garbage side of the Internet.) Aside from not putting her hand over her heart, it's mostly about her hair and her facial expression. And Huffington Post, not surprisingly, thinks her race figures into the criticism.
::::You say "That question [why she was criticized] cries out for an answer. And the answer is obvious." No, sometimes questions don't cry out for an answer. Sometimes garbage is just garbage. And you have ''no evidence'' in support of the answer you propose.
::::The Tim Tebow case was very different. And it had very clear religious overtones.
::::@Cons: If you want to make personal attacks against me, my [[User_talk:SamHB|talk page]] is always open. And it might help avoid distractions on this page.
::::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:33, 20 August 2016 (EDT)
:SamHB, you wrote: "If you want to make personal attacks against me, my talk page is always open. And it might help avoid distractions on this page."
:Sam HB, there must be a reason why you are still not addressing your use of the [[genetic fallacy]] in order to make an illogical criticism (see my commentary below). What is the reason? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:50, 20 August 2016 (EDT)
Aschafly, did you notice that SamHB is silent about his use of the [[genetic fallacy]] in terms of his "reasoning". He doesn't appear to want to address the matter. I believe this is because he wishes to continue to be illogical and/or he is proud and does not wish to admit error.
If only SamHB could point out a single factual error in one of my atheism articles or point out a single use of fallacious reasoning in one of the articles, then he could actually provide constructive feedback. Given that [[liberal Christianity]] is often anti-supernatural in its theology, it must irk him that he cannot provide legitimate criticism of [[User: Conservative]] created atheism articles.
Lastly, given that [[Atheism and morality|atheism is wicked]], it should not surprise SamHB that Conservapedia's atheism articles point this out. So his "weird" charge is rather petty. Also, liberal/progressive journalists have a long tradition of investigative/"muckraking" journalism. So SamHB's irritation with the research of the [[User: Conservative]] about the wickedness of atheism and/or atheists (which is fully supported via footnotes in the articles) is rather hypocritical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:57, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
== USA has less gold per capita than Germany, Great Britain 4x. ==
As it stands Germany has one gold medal per 10,000,000 people, The USA has 1 gold per 12,000,000 and Great Britain has one gold per 4,000,000. So Germany has more gold per capita then the USA with Britian having 3 times as many gold per capita than the USA, including two gold in gymnastics. Rather a poor argument me thinks.--[[User:RichardsonD1|RichardsonD1]] ([[User talk:RichardsonD1|talk]]) 14:06, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
::Update: USA 1 gold for every 11,500,000. Germany 1 gold for every 8,000,000. The gap is getting bigger, no wonder you are such an unsuccessful lawyer with such pathetic arguments.--[[User:RichardsonD1|RichardsonD1]] ([[User talk:RichardsonD1|talk]]) 16:03, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
::::Criticizing Andy's skill as a lawyer is completely off-topic and inappropriate here. Though criticism of his skill at statistical analysis and at drawing causative conclusions from observations of seemingly unrelated observations is certainly fair. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:07, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
:::The USA have 4 gymnastics golds, all won by Simone Biles who went to, drumroll, public school.--[[User:RichardsonD1|RichardsonD1]] ([[User talk:RichardsonD1|talk]]) 16:05, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
::::Behold, I give thee, Fabian Hambuechen [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016/results/sports/gymnastics/mens-horizontal-bar] German public school 1, US homeschooled, 0.--[[User:RichardsonD1|RichardsonD1]] ([[User talk:RichardsonD1|talk]]) 16:18, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
:::::Germany, for what it's worth, won a bronze gymnastics medal today. http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/uneven-bars-final-germanys-sophie-scheder-finishes-third [[User:BrianKay|BrianKay]] ([[User talk:BrianKay|talk]]) 16:59, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
Britain/Germany both have a cultural legacy of [[Protestantism]] (see: [[Protestant cultural legacies]]). Given the Protestant work ethic, it is really not surprising that they racked up gold medals (See: [[Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism]]).
My guess is that France/Portugal/Italy were not able to effectively compete against these two countries with a Protestant cultural legacy. And Cuba didn't even come close. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:39, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
:Most successful countries at the Olympics in terms of per capita success.[http://www.topendsports.com/events/summer/medal-tally/all-time-comparison-pop.htm] Notice that 9 out of 10 of the countries have a Protestant cultural legacy (Estonia has a Protestant cultural legacy). The Bible remains the greatest book ever written! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:58, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
The reason why the Germans who won the gold medals went to public school is because homeschooling is illegal in Germany. Besides, it's quite amazing that several homeschoolers in the USA were good enough to go the Olympics. BTW, Biles was homeschooled[https://pjmedia.com/parenting/2016/08/09/how-homeschooling-helped-propel-simone-biles-to-the-olympic-gold/] for a time. Also, see this [http://www.famoushomeschoolers.net/athletes.html#.V7OmE2xTFPY]. Good evidence that homeschooling works. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:50, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
:In furtherance of the insights by the [[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]], the sole German medal winner in gymnastics (only a bronze) is by a woman who is relatively old for a female gymnast, and who has been out of the German public schools for at least a year. In an online interview, she used profanity to describe the complexity of the German school system, which I don't care to link to.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 21:28, 16 August 2016 (EDT)
If you mean " standing up against the homosexual agenda." as murder[http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-youth-stoned-death-jamaica090315/#gs.L3sGv18][http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20160527/another-double-murder-mobay-resident-says-male-victims-were-gays][http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/30/jamaica-anti-gay-violence_n_3844356.html] then yes, they are very strong. They stand up to the homosexual agenda just as Omar Mateen(Orlando shooter) did. By the way they are third--[[User:RichardsonD1|RichardsonD1]] ([[User talk:RichardsonD1|talk]]) 12:14, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
:Richardsonb, what are your thoughts about homosexuals having higher per capita health problems - including sexually transmitted diseases? See: [[Homosexuality and health]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:14, 17 August 2016 (EDT)
== In summary... ==
... [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template%3AMainpageright&diff=1271168&oldid=1271160 this entry]
"Hooray! American arrested in foreign country!"
Does that sum it up, [[user:Aschlafly|Andy?]] Why do you hate America? [[User:BryanL|BryanL]] ([[User talk:BryanL|talk]]) 10:05, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
:I beleived he is speaking against the American ''news media'', not the American people. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 10:10, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
::[[Andy Schlafly]] just put on the main page: '''[[Conservapedia proven right]], again''': [[liberal media]] favorite Ryan Lochte apparently "vandalized Rio gas station, got in fight," and then the media unfairly smeared [[Brazil]] with Lochte's tale of being robbed at gunpoint. [http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/18/sport/us-swimmers-olympics-robbery-questions/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:32, 18 August 2016 (EDT)