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:::::Odd, how on the [[Evolution]] articles all we here is how holy and undefiable science is; then when we prove how a scientific term and medical diagnosis was hijacked to serve a poltical agenda, science can take a back seat to stereotypes and prejudices.  The irony of it all.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 19:18, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

:::::Odd, how on the [[Evolution]] articles all we here is how holy and undefiable science is; then when we prove how a scientific term and medical diagnosis was hijacked to serve a poltical agenda, science can take a back seat to stereotypes and prejudices.  The irony of it all.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 19:18, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

:::::Not really, a truly empirical, scientific approach would draw out the links between the  cultural and sociological phenomenon of discrimination against homosexuals, and its root cause in the individual psychological phenomenon of homophobia. However, your emphasis on treating cause so separately from effect seems to be just to leave room for other causes of discrimination against homosexuals, namely so-called moral objections of the type Ed Poor calls "principled objections to sin". To argue on this website that these sorts of religious doctrines are merely cultural constructs which originate from human psychology, and not moral absolutes which come direct from God, would be to fight a loosing battle. Please forgive me if I'm attributing a more malign intent behind your line of argument than is really there, but thats the way it appears to me. [[User:Orgone|Orgone]] 21:19, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

::::::Not really, a truly empirical, scientific approach would draw out the links between the  cultural and sociological phenomenon of discrimination against homosexuals, and its root cause in the individual psychological phenomenon of homophobia. However, your emphasis on treating cause so separately from effect seems to be just to leave room for other causes of discrimination against homosexuals, namely so-called moral objections of the type Ed Poor calls "principled objections to sin". To argue on this website that these sorts of religious doctrines are merely cultural constructs which originate from human psychology, and not moral absolutes which come direct from God, would be to fight a loosing battle. Please forgive me if I'm attributing a more malign intent behind your line of argument than is really there, but thats the way it appears to me. [[User:Orgone|Orgone]] 21:19, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

 

 

:::::::When this occured, it was not a unanimous decision among psychiatrists.  Neither did dissenters in the psychiatric profession have their licenses pulled, or treated as quakes, who held to view it was a treatable disorder.  However, the profession does not recognize the diagnosis of homosexuality as a disease.  When homosexuality was "normalized", the doctor essentially told the patient to go home because he was cured now.  Nonetheless, a few still showed up the following week and said, "Doc, I don't feel cured, and I need help".  So doctors who dissented from the decision to "normalize" homosexuality, in order to avoid practicing quack medicine and get their licenses pulled, returned to the textbooks to find what the patients problem was.  And phobias, like homophobia, are still psychiatric diseases recognized by the APA and still on the books.  It was discovered in many cases, the patient didn't like himself, so the diagnosis of homophobia has virtually taken the place for many who prior to the 70s were diagnosed with the disease of homosexuality.  It's not hard to see how in actual fact, homophobia-bashing is simply another form of gay-bashing.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:44, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

:::This requires studying sources such as the link provided above; while homosexuality is no loner considered a mental disease (as it once was by the APA), phobias, and specifically homophobia ''still'' is considered as diagnosiable mental condition by the American Psycriatric Asscociation. Now, here is the kicker: most diagnosed homophobes are so-called "latent homosexuals", their fear of homosexuals being personal, i.e. that they may cross the line from latent attraction into an active homosexual lifestyle.  In this sense, psyciatrists are ''still'' "treating" homosexuals, not homosexuality as a mental disease, but latent homosexuals fear of acting on their impulses.  This is the true, scientific, and medical description of the disease.

:::This requires studying sources such as the link provided above; while homosexuality is no loner considered a mental disease (as it once was by the APA), phobias, and specifically homophobia ''still'' is considered as diagnosiable mental condition by the American Psycriatric Asscociation. Now, here is the kicker: most diagnosed homophobes are so-called "latent homosexuals", their fear of homosexuals being personal, i.e. that they may cross the line from latent attraction into an active homosexual lifestyle.  In this sense, psyciatrists are ''still'' "treating" homosexuals, not homosexuality as a mental disease, but latent homosexuals fear of acting on their impulses.  This is the true, scientific, and medical description of the disease.