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::::::Not really, a truly empirical, scientific approach would draw out the links between the  cultural and sociological phenomenon of discrimination against homosexuals, and its root cause in the individual psychological phenomenon of homophobia. However, your emphasis on treating cause so separately from effect seems to be just to leave room for other causes of discrimination against homosexuals, namely so-called moral objections of the type Ed Poor calls "principled objections to sin". To argue on this website that these sorts of religious doctrines are merely cultural constructs which originate from human psychology, and not moral absolutes which come direct from God, would be to fight a loosing battle. Please forgive me if I'm attributing a more malign intent behind your line of argument than is really there, but thats the way it appears to me. [[User:Orgone|Orgone]] 21:19, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

::::::Not really, a truly empirical, scientific approach would draw out the links between the  cultural and sociological phenomenon of discrimination against homosexuals, and its root cause in the individual psychological phenomenon of homophobia. However, your emphasis on treating cause so separately from effect seems to be just to leave room for other causes of discrimination against homosexuals, namely so-called moral objections of the type Ed Poor calls "principled objections to sin". To argue on this website that these sorts of religious doctrines are merely cultural constructs which originate from human psychology, and not moral absolutes which come direct from God, would be to fight a loosing battle. Please forgive me if I'm attributing a more malign intent behind your line of argument than is really there, but thats the way it appears to me. [[User:Orgone|Orgone]] 21:19, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

:::::::In the mid to late 70s, the American Psychiatric Association, through whatever it's internal processes, decided to decided to stop considering homosexuality a disease.  They based this decision upon decades of research that essentially maintained the root cause of a homosexuals psychiatric problems was stigmatization and being an outcast.  So the new form of treatment, i.e. not calling it a disease at all, was meant to "normalize" or embrace the homosexual, accept him as he is.   

:::::::In the mid to late 70s, the American Psychiatric Association, through whatever it's internal processes, decided to stop considering homosexuality a disease.  They based this decision upon decades of research that essentially maintained the root cause of a homosexuals psychiatric problems was stigmatization and being an outcast.  So the new form of treatment, i.e. not calling it a disease at all, was meant to "normalize" or embrace the homosexual, accept him as he is.   

:::::::When this occured, it was not a unanimous decision among psychiatrists.  Neither did dissenters in the psychiatric profession have their licenses pulled, or treated as quakes, who held to view it was a treatable disorder.  However, the profession does not recognize the diagnosis of homosexuality as a disease.  When homosexuality was "normalized", the doctor essentially told the patient to go home because he was cured now.  Nonetheless, a few still showed up the following week and said, "Doc, I don't feel cured, and I need help".  So doctors who dissented from the decision to "normalize" homosexuality, in order to avoid practicing quack medicine and get their licenses pulled, returned to the textbooks to find what the patients problem was.  And phobias, like homophobia, are still psychiatric diseases recognized by the APA and still on the books.  It was discovered in many cases, the patient didn't like himself, so the diagnosis of homophobia has virtually taken the place for many who prior to the 70s were diagnosed with the disease of homosexuality.  It's not hard to see how in actual fact, homophobia-bashing is simply another form of gay-bashing.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:44, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

:::::::When this occured, it was not a unanimous decision among psychiatrists.  Neither did dissenters in the psychiatric profession have their licenses pulled, or treated as quakes, who held to view it was a treatable disorder.  However, the profession does not recognize the diagnosis of homosexuality as a disease.  When homosexuality was "normalized", the doctor essentially told the patient to go home because he was cured now.  Nonetheless, a few still showed up the following week and said, "Doc, I don't feel cured, and I need help".  So doctors who dissented from the decision to "normalize" homosexuality, in order to avoid practicing quack medicine and get their licenses pulled, returned to the textbooks to find what the patients problem was.  And phobias, like homophobia, are still psychiatric diseases recognized by the APA and still on the books.  It was discovered in many cases, the patient didn't like himself, so the diagnosis of homophobia has virtually taken the place for many who prior to the 70s were diagnosed with the disease of homosexuality.  It's not hard to see how in actual fact, homophobia-bashing is simply another form of gay-bashing.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:44, 25 April 2007 (EDT)