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::::::::Ok, i can see now how we got in to this cycle of debate, there are a lot of issues at stake here, some of a real Chicken-and-Egg style: Is someone unhappy because they are homosexual ''per se'', or unhappy because they are ''made to feel'' unhappy about being homosexual? How far is homophobia linked to latent-homosexuality? Is the diagnosis of homosexuality as a disease in itself an anti-homosexual phenomenon? Where do we draw the line between proximal psychological causes of discrimination against homosexuals (homophobia) and distal cultural causes of discrimination against homosexuals (anti-homosexualism in general)? How far is homophobia linked to direct anti-homosexual behavior? These are all controversial issues, all i can say is that I disagree profoundly with the idea that homosexuality is in itself a disease, and the idea that it is ok to discriminate against homosexuals. These principles are not incompatible with the idea that homophobia is a psychological diagnosis. [[User:Orgone|Orgone]] 23:55, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

::::::::Ok, i can see now how we got in to this cycle of debate, there are a lot of issues at stake here, some of a real Chicken-and-Egg style: Is someone unhappy because they are homosexual ''per se'', or unhappy because they are ''made to feel'' unhappy about being homosexual? How far is homophobia linked to latent-homosexuality? Is the diagnosis of homosexuality as a disease in itself an anti-homosexual phenomenon? Where do we draw the line between proximal psychological causes of discrimination against homosexuals (homophobia) and distal cultural causes of discrimination against homosexuals (anti-homosexualism in general)? How far is homophobia linked to direct anti-homosexual behavior? These are all controversial issues, all i can say is that I disagree profoundly with the idea that homosexuality is in itself a disease, and the idea that it is ok to discriminate against homosexuals. These principles are not incompatible with the idea that homophobia is a psychological diagnosis. [[User:Orgone|Orgone]] 23:55, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

::::::::: That is all very good analysis and you have an excenllent grasp of the issues.  And you're a good writer.  Homosexuality has not been recognized as a diagnosis now since 1973 or sometime thereafter; it still was criminal contact in many states and localities into the 1980s (and is criminal in many Western & non-Western nations still).  Prior to the APA dropping the diagnosis, gays had the double whammy -- it was considered a disease ''and'' it was crime.  "Legalization" came shortly after "normalization" by the medical community.  But I think you can see, many profoundly disturbed psyciatric patients were not cured simply the day after the APA dropped the diagnosis.

::::::::: That is all very good analysis and you have an excenllent grasp of the issues.  And you're a good writer.  Homosexuality has not been recognized as a diagnosis now since 1973 or sometime thereafter; it still was criminal conduct in many states and localities into the 1980s (and is criminal in many Western & non-Western nations still).  Prior to the APA dropping the diagnosis, gays had the double whammy -- it was considered a disease ''and'' it was crime.  "Legalization" came shortly after "normalization" by the medical community.  But I think you can see, many profoundly disturbed psyciatric patients were not cured simply the day after the APA dropped the diagnosis.

::::::::: Homophobia is a recognized diagnosis, however it is not a crime.  This abstract [http://www.springerlink.com/content/n0264m864t146585/ here] says,

::::::::: Homophobia is a recognized diagnosis, however it is not a crime.  This abstract [http://www.springerlink.com/content/n0264m864t146585/ here] says,