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::Secular leftists/liberals are now like trapped rats.[http://americanmanifestobook.blogspot.com/2016/06/think-of-liberals-as-trapped-rats.html]  And now that name-calling is increasingly ineffective to cow their opponents, they are turning to violence because that is all they have left.[http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/why-violence-is-all-liberals-have-left/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:44, 6 February 2017 (EST)

::Secular leftists/liberals are now like trapped rats.[http://americanmanifestobook.blogspot.com/2016/06/think-of-liberals-as-trapped-rats.html]  And now that name-calling is increasingly ineffective to cow their opponents, they are turning to violence because that is all they have left.[http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/why-violence-is-all-liberals-have-left/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:44, 6 February 2017 (EST)

:::Hitler was a Secular leftist/liberal?--[[User:AaronC1|AaronC1]] ([[User talk:AaronC1|talk]]) 12:45, 6 February 2017 (EST)

:::Hitler was a Secular leftist/liberal?--[[User:AaronC1|AaronC1]] ([[User talk:AaronC1|talk]]) 12:45, 6 February 2017 (EST)

First, I did not say that Hitler was a secular leftist.  

First, I did not say that Hitler was a secular leftist. My main point was that secular leftists are largely fighting a three front war and they are not faring well from a global perspective and they have suffered some significant defeats as of late in the Western World. Given that we live in a world where globalization is a strong factor (immigration, world communications, trade, etc.), the fact that secular leftism is faring poorly globally is certainly notable.  

Second, the data is cloudy on whether Hitler was an atheist or not due to various conclusions that people take from Hitler's Tabletalk.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler] It is vary hard to know given that Hitler/Joseph Goebbels were both liars.  Hilter was a staunch evolutionist though and the most vocal proponents of evolutionism have often been atheists/agnostics. See: [[Evolutionary racism]]

Second, the data is cloudy on whether Hitler was an atheist or not due to various conclusions that people take from Hitler's Tabletalk.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler] It is vary hard to know given that Hitler/Joseph Goebbels were both liars.  Hilter was a staunch evolutionist though and the most vocal proponents of evolutionism have often been atheists/agnostics. See: [[Evolutionary racism]]

Third, Hitler greatly expanded the size of government when he committed perhaps the biggest strategic folly of any leader in history and launched [[Operation Barbarosa]].  The Eastern Front attack was a complete disaster given the timing of the attack (Russian winters), but perhaps it would have failed if he had done it at another time.  Maybe [[Joseph Stalin]] would have attacked first if Germany didn't attack first as some historians argue.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy] It is hard to predict the actions of militant atheist madmen.  Regardless, WWII launched Germany into an era of big government.  

Third, Hitler greatly expanded the size of government when he committed perhaps the biggest strategic folly of any leader in history and launched [[Operation Barbarossa]].  The Eastern Front attack was a complete disaster given the timing of the attack (Russian winters), but perhaps it would have failed if he had done it at another time.  Maybe [[Joseph Stalin]] would have attacked first if Germany didn't attack first as some historians argue.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy] It is hard to predict the actions of militant atheist madmen.  Regardless, WWII launched Germany into an era of big government.  

Lastly, I really don't see much of a difference between fascism/communism. Both are undemocratic/big government enterprises that trample civil liberties. See: [[Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism]] (Granted Nazism/communism trample civil liberties to a far higher degree than liberalism). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:01, 6 February 2017 (EST)

Next, I really don't see much of a difference between fascism/communism. Both are undemocratic/big government enterprises that trample civil liberties. See: [[Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism]] (Granted Nazism/communism trample civil liberties to a far higher degree than liberalism). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2017 (EST)