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Talk:Essay:Calming the Storm (view source)
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, 19:47, April 5, 2017→Statement on Translations: sorry, no and no.
:Appreciate the intellectually serious response, which I will look into further. But grammar is not -- and should not be -- the only factor to consider. Jesus was doing something extraordinary, and it is likely Mark did not have grammatically perfect options familiar to him. What is grammatical for "He said, 'Be still'" should be equally valid for "He judged, 'Be still'" or "He meant, 'Be still." I have not seen you distinguish among the three possibilities, which presumably would all use the same grammar.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:34, 5 April 2017 (EDT)
:Appreciate the intellectually serious response, which I will look into further. But grammar is not -- and should not be -- the only factor to consider. Jesus was doing something extraordinary, and it is likely Mark did not have grammatically perfect options familiar to him. What is grammatical for "He said, 'Be still'" should be equally valid for "He judged, 'Be still'" or "He meant, 'Be still." I have not seen you distinguish among the three possibilities, which presumably would all use the same grammar.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:34, 5 April 2017 (EDT)
::''What is grammatical for "He said, 'Be still'" should be equally valid for "He judged, 'Be still'" or "He meant, 'Be still." '' Why? You know that it is impossible to translate from one language to another one-to-one. A translation depends on the context - if there is only an accusative present, you may look at another meaning than when there are an accusative and a dative object. Take, e.g., the English
:::#She ''gets'' me. (accusative)
:::#She ''gets'' me a present (dative + accusative)
::The meaning of "to get" varies, to translate this in another language (e.g., German), I have to use different words:
:::#Sie ''versteht'' mich
:::#Sie ''besorgt'' mir ein Geschenk.
::''Mark did not have grammatically perfect options familiar to him.'' Mark was very capable to render surprising situations into a simple speech which is easy to understand. He had options to describe a silent Jesus in the presence of the sea, just looking at it (see e.g., Mark 14:61).
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:47, 5 April 2017 (EDT)