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→‎Statement on Translations: What is grammatical for "He said, 'Be still'" should be equally valid for "He judged, 'Be still'" or "He meant, 'Be still." I have not seen you distinguish among the three possibilities, which presumably would all use th
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"'' εἶπεν would still be a correct for saying "he meant" or "he judged" in this context.''" No. Why not? Because of τῇ θαλάσσῃ. That is a dative object, answering the question "to whom or to what?". "He meant" or "he judged" would need an accusative object, answering the question "whom or what?". Answering the latter question - instead of a real object - is the snippet of direct speech. The additional dative object works only for "he said". Mark may have used a simple language, but he didn't make such grammatical errors - AFAIK the worst thing he is accused of is using the middle voice where the passive voice would have been more appropriate. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:03, 5 April 2017 (EDT)
 
"'' εἶπεν would still be a correct for saying "he meant" or "he judged" in this context.''" No. Why not? Because of τῇ θαλάσσῃ. That is a dative object, answering the question "to whom or to what?". "He meant" or "he judged" would need an accusative object, answering the question "whom or what?". Answering the latter question - instead of a real object - is the snippet of direct speech. The additional dative object works only for "he said". Mark may have used a simple language, but he didn't make such grammatical errors - AFAIK the worst thing he is accused of is using the middle voice where the passive voice would have been more appropriate. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:03, 5 April 2017 (EDT)
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:Appreciate the intellectually serious response, which I will look into further.  But grammar is not -- and should not be -- the only factor to consider.  Jesus was doing something extraordinary, and it is likely Mark did not have grammatically perfect options familiar to him.  What is grammatical for "He said, 'Be still'" should be equally valid for "He judged, 'Be still'" or "He meant, 'Be still."  I have not seen you distinguish among the three possibilities, which presumably would all use the same grammar.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:34, 5 April 2017 (EDT)
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