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==Propaganda vs. fake news==
==Propaganda vs. fake news==
It seems to me there is an important difference between propaganda and fake news. A government official may lie or mislead, and if those comments are reported accurately and attributed to the source, it is "news" and not "fake news." Fake news takes the form of fictional sources: "Mayor James Jones of Smithtown reported that ISIS militants shot up city hall." when there is no Smithtown and James Jones is not the Mayor and there was no ISIS attack. For this reason, the false narrative about Benghazi was '''not''' fake news. It was propaganda that was accurately reported in the media, and later the media accurately reported why it was a lie. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 05:36, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
It seems to me there is an important difference between propaganda and fake news. A government official may lie or mislead, and if those comments are reported accurately and attributed to the source, it is "news" and not "fake news." Fake news takes the form of fictional sources: "Mayor James Jones of Smithtown reported that ISIS militants shot up city hall." when there is no Smithtown and James Jones is not the Mayor and there was no ISIS attack. For this reason, the false narrative about Benghazi was '''not''' fake news. It was propaganda that was accurately reported in the media, and later the media accurately reported why it was a lie. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 05:36, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
:I'd have to disagree. Propaganda literally means indoctrination, like classroom instruction. It took an a colloquialism that meant news subtly trying to pursuade, and eventually false reporting. Even when a major news event is ignored, say an explosion of unknown causes, in favor of a 100% factual story about kittens dying in fire, it's considered fake news, false reporting, or propaganda.
:Spin is another term that rapidly lost its original meaning. Reagan's media people knew Reagan spoke in such a way that could be ambiguous or misinterpreted. Knowing they were dealing with a hostile press, they went on 'spin patrol' after he gave a speech to 'spin' the story back in the right direction. Reporters loved having personal access to high-level campaign officials for follow up questions. The officials usually answered questions with, "What he meant to say...", or "What he really meant was...". Over time, given Reagan's success, the hostile press rebelled against what they willing participated themselves in and called "spin", spinning the reporters perceptions of the message in the way the Reagan campaign intended, to mean 'bulldung'.
:I don't think you can conclusively define fake news, even though it's always been with us, its meaning is always changing. I'd say there are three types: fake news that begins with the subject who successfully pulls the wool over the eyes of s news entity; fake news bas3d on a reporter or interviewers bias; and fake news manufactured by editors who are the middle men between news collectors and the public. We don't need new terms for this sort of bias. Right now the mainstream 'professionals' just don't like competition from citizen journalists at home blogging in their underwear. So they use it as a pejoritive while they themselves have interfered in elections and built empires for themselves with fake news. And the msm denyin these facts is fake news.
:Just leave things as they are. Who ever reports false, misleading, biased, slanted, fails to report accurately, or ignores a legitimate and vital story, is guilty of fake news reporting. Whether it's corporate media or alternative media,[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]]</sup> 07:14, 6 April 2017 (EDT)