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Revision as of 21:07, April 28, 2007
, 21:07, April 28, 2007→Constitutional right or human right?
::Well, you can DERIVE a right to own a firearm from natural rights. It is a given that one natural right of human beings is the right to life. To state that negatively, human beings have a natural right not to be killed. Therefore, all human beings have the right to self-defense, as it necessary in order to ensure that their right to not be killed is upheld. To ensure that humans have the right to self-defense, humans need arms to help them fight off an attacker. This is the same logic that is used to explain why states can have a military. The right to continued existence implies a right to self-defense, and a right to self-defense requires a right to be able to fight back.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 14:16, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
::Well, you can DERIVE a right to own a firearm from natural rights. It is a given that one natural right of human beings is the right to life. To state that negatively, human beings have a natural right not to be killed. Therefore, all human beings have the right to self-defense, as it necessary in order to ensure that their right to not be killed is upheld. To ensure that humans have the right to self-defense, humans need arms to help them fight off an attacker. This is the same logic that is used to explain why states can have a military. The right to continued existence implies a right to self-defense, and a right to self-defense requires a right to be able to fight back.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 14:16, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
::: First of all, that's a very different claim than claiming that it is a natural right. Second that argument in any event has a multitude of problems including that it implies that we have rights to pretty much all weapons. I don't think anyone would try to argue that their is a natural human right to possess nuclear weapons. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 16:21, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
::: First of all, that's a very different claim than claiming that it is a natural right. Second that argument in any event has a multitude of problems including that it implies that we have rights to pretty much all weapons. I don't think anyone would try to argue that their is a natural human right to possess nuclear weapons. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 16:21, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
::::Oh, I was never claiming that we have a right to possess all weapons. We have a right to "Possess enough power to defend our life should the need arise." Thats a very vague statement, and its purposely vague, as so that we can interpret it to mean what we want it to mean when we need it.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 17:07, 28 April 2007 (EDT)