Changes

Jump to navigation Jump to search
Line 249: Line 249:  
::Just because other Conservapedia editors were willing to cut you some slack during the first 100 days when Trump's critics challenged Trump to live up to his promises to get a lot of policies accomplished, does not mean that the same approach is workable for longer time periods.  When encyclopedia users come to this article with questions, what information do they seek? We are not trying to duplicate whitehouse.gov.  "Some of these accomplishments may be small, but they are clearly accomplishments." is a debatable conclusion.  Everyday, thousands of federal employees go to work and do their jobs -- State Dept. officials vet visa applicants; they process social security claims; USDA inspectors stop bad beef; Justice Dept. prosecutes criminals. Ninty-nine percent of the work of the federal government is being done the same way as on Jan 19.  The proposed criteria does not make sense.  If an employee was doing things that further conservative goals during all eight years of the Obama administration (for example, detaining and deporting an illegal immigrant) it is not worth inclusion if he did it again after Jan 20.  This article should explain how Donald Trump's approach to government is different than before, what steps he is taking to change things, and whether he has succeeded or failed on each of those steps.  You write, "His 2016 election is the only reason ''any'' of this is happening," but have not incorporated that "but for" test in your proposed criteria. How does the Arizona border camp raid meet your latest criteria?  Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 16:48, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
 
::Just because other Conservapedia editors were willing to cut you some slack during the first 100 days when Trump's critics challenged Trump to live up to his promises to get a lot of policies accomplished, does not mean that the same approach is workable for longer time periods.  When encyclopedia users come to this article with questions, what information do they seek? We are not trying to duplicate whitehouse.gov.  "Some of these accomplishments may be small, but they are clearly accomplishments." is a debatable conclusion.  Everyday, thousands of federal employees go to work and do their jobs -- State Dept. officials vet visa applicants; they process social security claims; USDA inspectors stop bad beef; Justice Dept. prosecutes criminals. Ninty-nine percent of the work of the federal government is being done the same way as on Jan 19.  The proposed criteria does not make sense.  If an employee was doing things that further conservative goals during all eight years of the Obama administration (for example, detaining and deporting an illegal immigrant) it is not worth inclusion if he did it again after Jan 20.  This article should explain how Donald Trump's approach to government is different than before, what steps he is taking to change things, and whether he has succeeded or failed on each of those steps.  You write, "His 2016 election is the only reason ''any'' of this is happening," but have not incorporated that "but for" test in your proposed criteria. How does the Arizona border camp raid meet your latest criteria?  Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 16:48, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
 
:::Contrary to what you are saying, I am '''not''' "duplicating" whitehouse.gov. I barely cited that website at all, and instead cited third party sources. They think the accomplishments were notable enough to report, so I will too. Also, I am not reporting on the "99%" of the work that is done the same, but the "1%" (as you are apparently putting it) that is done differently. Your arguments are self-defeating because every achievement (''even the "small" achievements'') I have added show how the Trump Administration is different from the Obama Administration (even if Trump kept "conservative" policies from the Obama Administration -- ''of which there are none'' -- it would warrant mention because it is so easy for administrations to change such policies). It would show that the Trump Administration were conservative in more areas than expected. The Obama Administration did not end the $1 million gym membership program for the EPA, for example. The Obama Administration started or continued many of the policies that Trump ended, including the "small" things. Are you really trying to improve the article, or are you trying to whitewash the article by removing half of the very real accomplishments made by the Trump Administration? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 02:25, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
 
:::Contrary to what you are saying, I am '''not''' "duplicating" whitehouse.gov. I barely cited that website at all, and instead cited third party sources. They think the accomplishments were notable enough to report, so I will too. Also, I am not reporting on the "99%" of the work that is done the same, but the "1%" (as you are apparently putting it) that is done differently. Your arguments are self-defeating because every achievement (''even the "small" achievements'') I have added show how the Trump Administration is different from the Obama Administration (even if Trump kept "conservative" policies from the Obama Administration -- ''of which there are none'' -- it would warrant mention because it is so easy for administrations to change such policies). It would show that the Trump Administration were conservative in more areas than expected. The Obama Administration did not end the $1 million gym membership program for the EPA, for example. The Obama Administration started or continued many of the policies that Trump ended, including the "small" things. Are you really trying to improve the article, or are you trying to whitewash the article by removing half of the very real accomplishments made by the Trump Administration? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 02:25, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
 +
::::I am saying that if a researcher needs a definitive list of every action by President Trump, he would use whitehouse.gov instead of this page.  We are here to build an on-line encyclopedia which is free from the liberal bias of Wikipedia, not to whitewash anything in either direction. If a high school student wants to look up facts about the Trump administration while writing a term paper and comes to the article in its present form, he would probably get an "F" because he was confusing what was important with what was trivial and was confused about what happened before or after Jan. 20.  What criteria can we use for this article? I agree that there is nothing magic about the first 100 days, so let's apply the criteria back to Jan. 20. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:45, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
    
== VA to deal with under/unused buildings ==
 
== VA to deal with under/unused buildings ==
SkipCaptcha
3,995

edits

Navigation menu