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Talk:Donald Trump achievements (view source)
Revision as of 15:44, June 26, 2017
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:::Contrary to what you are saying, I am '''not''' "duplicating" whitehouse.gov. I barely cited that website at all, and instead cited third party sources. They think the accomplishments were notable enough to report, so I will too. Also, I am not reporting on the "99%" of the work that is done the same, but the "1%" (as you are apparently putting it) that is done differently. Your arguments are self-defeating because every achievement (''even the "small" achievements'') I have added show how the Trump Administration is different from the Obama Administration (even if Trump kept "conservative" policies from the Obama Administration -- ''of which there are none'' -- it would warrant mention because it is so easy for administrations to change such policies). It would show that the Trump Administration were conservative in more areas than expected. The Obama Administration did not end the $1 million gym membership program for the EPA, for example. The Obama Administration started or continued many of the policies that Trump ended, including the "small" things. Are you really trying to improve the article, or are you trying to whitewash the article by removing half of the very real accomplishments made by the Trump Administration? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 02:25, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Contrary to what you are saying, I am '''not''' "duplicating" whitehouse.gov. I barely cited that website at all, and instead cited third party sources. They think the accomplishments were notable enough to report, so I will too. Also, I am not reporting on the "99%" of the work that is done the same, but the "1%" (as you are apparently putting it) that is done differently. Your arguments are self-defeating because every achievement (''even the "small" achievements'') I have added show how the Trump Administration is different from the Obama Administration (even if Trump kept "conservative" policies from the Obama Administration -- ''of which there are none'' -- it would warrant mention because it is so easy for administrations to change such policies). It would show that the Trump Administration were conservative in more areas than expected. The Obama Administration did not end the $1 million gym membership program for the EPA, for example. The Obama Administration started or continued many of the policies that Trump ended, including the "small" things. Are you really trying to improve the article, or are you trying to whitewash the article by removing half of the very real accomplishments made by the Trump Administration? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 02:25, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I am saying that if a researcher needs a definitive list of every action by President Trump, he would use whitehouse.gov instead of this page. We are here to build an on-line encyclopedia which is free from the liberal bias of Wikipedia, not to whitewash anything in either direction. If a high school student wants to look up facts about the Trump administration while writing a term paper and comes to the article in its present form, he would probably get an "F" because he was confusing what was important with what was trivial and was confused about what happened before or after Jan. 20. What criteria can we use for this article? I agree that there is nothing magic about the first 100 days, so let's apply the criteria back to Jan. 20. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:45, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I am saying that if a researcher needs a definitive list of every action by President Trump, he would use whitehouse.gov instead of this page. We are here to build an on-line encyclopedia which is free from the liberal bias of Wikipedia, not to whitewash anything in either direction. If a high school student wants to look up facts about the Trump administration while writing a term paper and comes to the article in its present form, he would probably get an "F" because he was confusing what was important with what was trivial and was confused about what happened before or after Jan. 20. What criteria can we use for this article? I agree that there is nothing magic about the first 100 days, so let's apply the criteria back to Jan. 20. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:45, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::None of these achievements are trivial, at least enough to keep out. They were reported on by good media outlets -- surely they did not think they were trivial, considering the administration makes many decisions every year with the media reporting only a fraction. Because we do not have WP's leftist bias, we are including all relevant achievements, and none of the achievements I added are irrelevant. The Trump Administration has signed about 40 bills, signed, maybe, a hundred orders, memorandums, and proclamations, and I have only included a fraction of them -- the ones noted by the media and recognized as achievements. I am not going to agree to any "criteria" that end up removing large chunks of content.
:::::This article does not list "long-lasting" achievements because how in the world can we know which achievements have stood the test of time to have greatly impacted the nation? Not even historians can agree on such criteria when analyzing previous leaders and events -- if you read the works of different historians of a single person of event, they come to completely different interpretations, conclusions, emphases, etc. They rewrite history each time they publish something (I am a history major, so I know this from experience). It is impossible to note which of Trump's achievements are "major" (under your "criteria"), even if we were writing this article 100 years in the future. And no, we are not going to let you choose which achievements have stood the test of time even before any time has passed.
:::::The way this article is organized is good. We are including real achievements that we know are achievements because they are reported in reliable media outlets. Even IF something happens to a Trump achievement in the future, we will either make a note or move it to the "failure" section. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:44, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
== VA to deal with under/unused buildings ==
== VA to deal with under/unused buildings ==