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, 22:14, September 20, 2017Some rationale behind how GMO shares the gospel
:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|<font color="#400080">Abranch</font>]] <sup>([[User Abranch|TALK]])</sup> Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)