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::::::I guess I missed the point at which non-humans came up.  Sure, that would be consistent, though not necessary.  And? [[User:Murray|Murray]] 15:30, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
 
::::::I guess I missed the point at which non-humans came up.  Sure, that would be consistent, though not necessary.  And? [[User:Murray|Murray]] 15:30, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
 
:::::::So we can rule out [[asexual]]s then.  But "strong, persistent cross identification" goes beyond wanting to wear high heals.  It deals with sex, either a man wants to have a baby, or woman feels she can impregnate someone, or there is a desire to have sex with members of ones own sex.  Would that be fair characterization?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:37, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
 
:::::::So we can rule out [[asexual]]s then.  But "strong, persistent cross identification" goes beyond wanting to wear high heals.  It deals with sex, either a man wants to have a baby, or woman feels she can impregnate someone, or there is a desire to have sex with members of ones own sex.  Would that be fair characterization?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:37, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
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No, I don't think it would be.  If a man wishes he could get pregnant, it doesn't follow that it's because he wants to have sex with another man.  If it was about sex with another man, why would pregnancy come into it?  It's more likely a desire for motherhood (see 2nd para under '''Diagnostic Features''').  It is beyond wanting to wear high heels, but that doesn't make it about sex.  It's about (assuming we're talking about a man) wanting to live as a woman, with everything that encompasses.  High heels, makeup, etc., are symbols of womanhood.  [[User:Murray|Murray]] 15:46, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
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