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→User: MarxistLeninist's response (Also known as ML): reply
:: How is universal healthcare, let alone, OBAMACARE, "penalizing" people? Also, NOT EVERYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH IS COMMUNISM. Romneycare also had an individual mandate, yet the GOP supported it. But as soon as the Democrats dared modify it slightly, and try to pass it, suddenly it's "communism".
:: How is universal healthcare, let alone, OBAMACARE, "penalizing" people? Also, NOT EVERYTHING YOU DISAGREE WITH IS COMMUNISM. Romneycare also had an individual mandate, yet the GOP supported it. But as soon as the Democrats dared modify it slightly, and try to pass it, suddenly it's "communism".
::::Get real. Do we have to go into the injustices of communism? Is paying 250% for healthcare so that 150% over and above the care for your own family is transferred to others, is that justice? Only a dangerous sociopath would answer in the affirmative. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 22:04, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
::::Get real. Do we have to go into the injustices of communism? Is paying 250% for healthcare so that 150% over and above the care for your own family is transferred to others, is that justice? Only a dangerous sociopath would answer in the affirmative. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 22:04, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
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::::You act like Democrats were helpless against Republican encroachment for just wanting to make minor alterations, but tellingly neither you nor your sources tell us what ObamaCare actually did.
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::::You quoted three (3) sources about RomneyCare being similar to ObamaCare. But why would anyone believe the one you picked which was ''PolitiFact'' for what it said about Obamacare, the organization who committed an notorious journalistic scandal about that very issue?
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::::These are the people who called those who said the Affordable Care Act would require some people to give up their doctor the "falsehood of the year" or whatever the grand prize was. The next year they were forced to admit Obama's promise that you could keep your doctor was itself the "falsehood of the year". You couldn't have picked a worse source if you'd tried!
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::::It's also telling that none of your sources mentioned among their careful detail that Massachusetts was MORE socialized BEFORE RomneyCare:
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:::::"It’s not as if we had a beautifully functioning free market in healthcare until Gov. Romney came along and wrecked it by requiring that Massachusetts residents purchase their own health insurance. In 2007, when RomneyCare became law, the federal government alone was already picking up the tab for 45.4% of all healthcare expenditures in the country.
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:::::Until ObamaCare, mandatory private health insurance -- as Romney pushed -- was considered the free market alternative to the Democrats’ piecemeal socialization of the entire medical industry." — Ann Coulter
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::::It was only when socialist true-believer Obama decided competitive services were wrong ''on principle'' that the trend toward competition to cut fraud and waste, as the practice of competition already existed in nearly every other industry, was halted and reversed with no discussion about reforming possible bad consequences.
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::::And the 1,000+ page bill hid the fact that main wealth transfer was from massive upper-middle-class premium-increases being given to pay for low-income insurance which had massive new government-mandated (required) services, including requirements to insure those with pre-existing conditions at normal premium rates, even for people who had let their insurance lapse.
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::::Republicans had been starting to allow the government to cover gaps in medical care like prescription drugs coverage to cover the expensive new drugs that were starting to appear on the market for Medicare recipients, but that wasn't good enough for socialist Obama. As too typically, your expressions of shocked protest to the contrary, he wanted the whole enchilada and caused a debacle for one-seventh of the economy. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 01:11, 17 July 2019 (EDT)
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> My question is pretty simple for this ML guy, should he return: What makes you think that an ideology that has to control 80% or more of an individual's existence a good thing, up to and including stuffing someone into a gulag for not toeing the commie party line?
> My question is pretty simple for this ML guy, should he return: What makes you think that an ideology that has to control 80% or more of an individual's existence a good thing, up to and including stuffing someone into a gulag for not toeing the commie party line?