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:Even in Catholicism, infant baptism is symbolic, because babies are not immersed, only sprinkled. The word baptism means immersed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 15:21, 10 October 2019 (EDT)

:Even in Catholicism, infant baptism is symbolic, because babies are not immersed, only sprinkled. The word baptism means immersed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 15:21, 10 October 2019 (EDT)

::The regular Catholic rite of baptism is by infusion (pouring), or by immersion (being immersed) or submersion (standing in water, with water poured over the head), not by aspersion. You have been misinformed by sources that cannot be trusted, since it is evident that what they told you about Catholic baptism is not true. <br>Look at [http://biblehub.com/hebrews/10-22.htm Hebrews 10:22] "Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts [already] sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." And [http://biblehub.com/john/3-5.htm John 3:5] "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and ''of'' the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." And [http://biblehub.com/1_peter/1-2.htm 1&nbsp;Peter 1:2] "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied." <br>According to Catholic doctrine the sacrament of water baptism is an actual application of the blood of Christ directly to the soul through the washing ([http://biblehub.com/greek/3067.htm λουτρόν loutron], not solely [http://biblehub.com/greek/907.htm immersion βαπτίζω baptizo]) of water with the word (both word ''and'' water are required). As Moses sprinkled ([http://biblehub.com/greek/4473.htm ραντίσμος rhantismos]) the book and all the people with blood, purifying them, "purging them", so also the sprinkling (of the blood of Christ) in baptism purges away sin (Hebrews 9:18-23). "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus [Baptism], By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the vail, that is to say, his flesh [Eucharist]; And ''having'' an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts [already] sprinkled ([http://biblehub.com/greek/4473.htm ραντίσμος rhantismos]) from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed ([http://biblehub.com/greek/3067.htm λουτρόν loutron]) with pure water." The evil conscience is the stain of original sin in the sight of God which makes us aware that we already from the moment of conception fall short of the glory of God, and the additional defilement of an evil conscience by any personal sins committed after birth. Thus infants and babies are cleansed of an evil conscience because of original sin. If they didn't have sin, they could not die (Romans 5:12), but many babies and newborns do die. Baptism saves 1&nbsp;Peter 3:21 by washing away sins Acts 22:16. Catholic tradition since the time of the catacombs and the imprisonment of converts not yet baptized (the Romans even condemned babies of converts) taught then and teaches now the act of baptism into the blood of Christ unto salvation was held to have been accomplished in emergency with the least droplet of "water with the word" in accordance with the command in Matthew 28:19 to [first] baptize making them disciples, to be followed in Matthew 28:20 by [second] the teaching of the faith of belief, "all that I have commanded you". In the article I listed those several verses which are cited to support regenerative baptism. "You are badly misled" Mark 12:27. (James 5:20) —Peace be with you. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:58, 10 October 2019 (EDT)

::The regular Catholic rite of baptism is by infusion (pouring), or by immersion (being immersed) or submersion (standing in water, with water poured over the head), not by aspersion. You have been misinformed by sources that cannot be trusted, since it is evident that what they told you about Catholic baptism is not true. <br>Look at [http://biblehub.com/hebrews/10-22.htm Hebrews 10:22] "Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts [already] sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." And [http://biblehub.com/john/3-5.htm John 3:5] "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and ''of'' the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." And [http://biblehub.com/1_peter/1-2.htm 1&nbsp;Peter 1:2] "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied." <br>According to Catholic doctrine the sacrament of water baptism is an actual application of the blood of Christ directly to the soul through the washing ([http://biblehub.com/greek/3067.htm λουτρόν loutron], not solely [http://biblehub.com/greek/907.htm immersion βαπτίζω baptizo]) of water with the word (both word ''and'' water are required). As Moses sprinkled ([http://biblehub.com/greek/4473.htm ραντίσμος rhantismos]) the book and all the people with blood, purifying them, "purging them", so also the sprinkling (of the blood of Christ) in baptism purges away sin (Hebrews 9:18-23). "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus [Baptism], By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the vail, that is to say, his flesh [Eucharist]; And ''having'' an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts [already] sprinkled ([http://biblehub.com/greek/4473.htm ραντίσμος rhantismos]) from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed ([http://biblehub.com/greek/3067.htm λουτρόν loutron]) with pure water." The evil conscience is the stain of original sin in the sight of God which makes us aware that we already from the moment of conception fall short of the glory of God, and the additional defilement of an evil conscience by any personal sins committed after birth. Thus infants and babies are cleansed of an evil conscience because of original sin. If they didn't have sin, they could not die (Romans 5:12), but many babies and newborns do die. Baptism saves 1&nbsp;Peter 3:21 by washing away sins Acts 22:16. Catholic tradition since the time of the catacombs and the imprisonment of converts not yet baptized (the Romans even condemned babies of converts) taught then and teaches now the act of baptism into the blood of Christ unto salvation was held to have been accomplished in emergency with the least droplet of "water with the word" in accordance with the command in Matthew 28:19 to [first] baptize making them disciples, to be followed in Matthew 28:20 by [second] the teaching of the faith of belief, "all that I have commanded you". In the article I listed those several verses which are cited to support regenerative baptism.  

"You are badly misled" Mark 12:27. (James 5:20) —Peace be with you. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:58, 10 October 2019 (EDT)

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