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→"Helpless" babies and sinners - Ephesians 2:11-16 and Romans 5:12-19; Romans 5:6-11 and 8:31-39; 2 Timothy 2:13 and 2 Corinthians 1:19-22 and John 10:35
::What is salvation?
::What is salvation?
::And please, make your response simple enough that an 8 year old child can understand. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:01, 23 October 2019 (EDT)
::And please, make your response simple enough that an 8 year old child can understand. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:01, 23 October 2019 (EDT)
::Let me help you. First, I see you left out the context of Ephesians:
:2:8 ''By grace are ye saved, through faith, and that not of you own; it is a gift from God.'' - no conditions are placed on grace, other than acceptance. A pardon must be accepted to be valid.
::But you are citing it in your second reference,
:Romans 5:15: ''But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man'' - again, a gift with no conditions.
:So grace is a free gift of god - with no conditions (i.e. such as baptism). And salvation is by grace.
:The only condition for salvation is acceptance of the gift. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 13:48, 23 October 2019 (EDT)