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→"Helpless" babies and sinners - Ephesians 2:11-16 and Romans 5:12-19; Romans 5:6-11 and 8:31-39; 2 Timothy 2:13 and 2 Corinthians 1:19-22 and John 10:35: added link to CCC 1987-2029
::::And you know my next question, ''Can a person loose their salvation?'' ''Is God's promise of salvation limited?'' ''Can "salvation by baptism" be lost? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:46, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
::::And you know my next question, ''Can a person loose their salvation?'' ''Is God's promise of salvation limited?'' ''Can "salvation by baptism" be lost? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:46, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::Salvation begins with baptism. See the [[Catechism of the Catholic Church]], [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1213 '''1213-1284'''.] God loves the whole world so much (John 3:16-17) that he is "not willing that any should perish" 2 Peter 3:9. The doctrine that salvation can be lost, that it can be rescinded, revoked and forfeited by mortal sin, is covered in the article [[Eternal security (salvation)]]. Abundant supporting Bible passages regarding the danger of losing salvation are listed and quoted there. It is also already adequately covered here in this article [[Infant baptism]]. From your question above, you either forgot the material covered in the article here, which fully answers your question, or you did not actually read it. If you did read it, please read it again. ([http://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-15.htm 1&nbap; Peter 3:15])
:::::Salvation begins with baptism. See the [[Catechism of the Catholic Church]], [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1213 '''1213-1284'''] and [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1987 '''1987-2029''']. God loves the whole world so much (John 3:16-17) that he is "not willing that any should perish" 2 Peter 3:9. The doctrine that salvation can be lost, that it can be rescinded, revoked and forfeited by mortal sin, is covered in the article [[Eternal security (salvation)]]. Abundant supporting Bible passages regarding the danger of losing salvation are listed and quoted there. It is also already adequately covered here in this article [[Infant baptism]]. From your question above, you either forgot the material covered in the article here, which fully answers your question, or you did not actually read it. If you did read it, please read it again. ([http://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-15.htm 1&nbap; Peter 3:15])
:::::(''by the way, you misspelled "lose", as in lost. "loose" is to release, set free, unfasten.'') <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:22, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::(''by the way, you misspelled "lose", as in lost. "loose" is to release, set free, unfasten.'') <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:22, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
::::::Baptism does not save. The blood of Jesus saves. And eternal life does not mean eternal life, I suppose; God must be a liar, then. And you nullify the doctrine of grace and death of Jesus if you think mortal sin can undo the work of Christ.
::::::Baptism does not save. The blood of Jesus saves. And eternal life does not mean eternal life, I suppose; God must be a liar, then. And you nullify the doctrine of grace and and death of Jesus if you think mortal sin can undo the work of Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:31, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
::::::Who needs Jesus? and what did he die for? if we are still judged by our works (being baptized) or mortal sins? Grace, I suppose is non-existent. And when God promised eternal life, it wasn't contingent on God's sacrifice of his Son, but still on your own works, is what you are preaching.
::::::''This people worships me with their lips, but their heart is far from me, teaching as commandments the doctrines of men''
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-21.htm 1 Peter 3:21 "'''baptism doth also now save us.'''"] You deny this.
::::::Let me point out the obvious error - ''without shedding of blood there is no remission''. Baptism is by water, not of blood. You are offering a bloodless sacrifice of your works, rejecting the work of Christ, to establish your own tradition. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:43, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/hebrews/10-26.htm Hebrews 10:26 "if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins."]
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/2_peter/2-20.htm 2 Peter 2:20 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."] You deny this.
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-17.htm 2 Peter 3:17 "beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness."] You deny this warning.
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/10-12.htm 1 Corinthians 10:12 "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."] You deny this danger.
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/2_john/1-8.htm 2 John 8 "Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward."]
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/6-3.htm 1 Timothy 6:3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, ''even'' the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"] [http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/6-4.htm 1 Timothy 6:4 "He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings"] [http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/6-5.htm 1 Timothy 6:5 "Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."]
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-14.htm 2 Timothy 2:14 "Of these things put ''them'' in remembrance, charging ''them'' before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, ''but'' to the subverting of the hearers."]
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/titus/3-9.htm Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."]
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/titus/3-10.htm Titus 3:10 "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;"] [http://biblehub.com/titus/3-11.htm Titus 3:11 "Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."]
:::::::[http://biblehub.com/mark/7-9.htm Mark 7:9 "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."]
:::::::Rob, you deny scripture for the sake of your tradition. I stand by the Bible. Baptism saves by the blood of Christ. And Christian believers must be careful not to lose their reward. James 5:19-20. <br> ''Semper Fi ! '' --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:56, 27 October 2019 (EDT)