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→"Helpless" babies and sinners - Ephesians 2:11-16 and Romans 5:12-19; Romans 5:6-11 and 8:31-39; 2 Timothy 2:13 and 2 Corinthians 1:19-22 and John 10:35
::::::::::One flaw: I asked ''What is salvation?'' You responded with church doctrine and church tradition, ''Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:49, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::One flaw: I asked ''What is salvation?'' You responded with church doctrine and church tradition, ''Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:49, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::The Bible says "baptism now saves us." That's salvation. Clearly, no debate. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 20:07, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::The Bible says "baptism now saves us." That's salvation. Clearly, no debate. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 20:07, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::''Without shedding of blood there is no remission.'' I suspect the problem is you do not under stand what salvation is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:12, 27 October 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::''Without shedding of blood there is no remission.'' I suspect the problem is you do not under stand what salvation is.
:::::::::::Lean what salvation is first, then we'll talk about being immersed in the word, or baptism in the spirit (same thing).
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:12, 27 October 2019 (EDT)