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::::[https://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/4-2.htm] [http://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-19.htm] [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1260.htm] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:08, 28 October 2019 (EDT)
::::[https://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/4-2.htm] [http://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-19.htm] [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1260.htm] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:08, 28 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::So, I'll take that as being affirmative. The gospel was indeed preached to Israel in the wilderness. What gospel was preached? the gospel of grace? the gospel of salvation? the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::So, I'll take that as being affirmative. The gospel was indeed preached to Israel in the wilderness. What gospel was preached? the gospel of grace? the gospel of salvation? the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:25, 28 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::Two clues:
::::::Exodus 33:12: ''And Moses said unto the Lord, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and '''thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me.'''''
::::::John 5:39: ''Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.'' Also,
::::::Luke 24:44 ''These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.''
:::::So what are we to conclude? The Gospel of salvation by grace was preached to Israel in the wilderness ''before'' the Law of Moses was given. But the y could not enter in because of disbelief. Because of rejection of God's grace, and God's salvation, they were given Law. And the Law cannot give life. The Law cannot save.
:::::Salvation is by grace, through faith. Baptism (other than spiritual baptism), i.e. baptism in the flesh, had nothing to do with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 21:24, 28 October 2019 (EDT)