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→Regenerative salvation by water and the Spirit: water baptism saves
:::"And all these, though well attested by their faith, '''did not receive what was promised''', since God had foreseen something better for us, that apart from us '''they should not be made perfect'''.
:::"And all these, though well attested by their faith, '''did not receive what was promised''', since God had foreseen something better for us, that apart from us '''they should not be made perfect'''.
::They had to wait, because they had not yet been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and had not yet been born again of water and the Spirit.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 16:04, 30 October 2019 (EDT)
::They had to wait, because they had not yet been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and had not yet been born again of water and the Spirit.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 16:04, 30 October 2019 (EDT)
:::Was Abraham saved?
::::Rom 4: ''1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
::::''2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
::::''3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness, etc.
::::Cite scripture for your response, not church tradition, church doctrine, Catholic catechism, or any other teaching of man. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:12, 30 October 2019 (EDT)
== Regenerative salvation by water and the Spirit: water baptism saves ==
== Regenerative salvation by water and the Spirit: water baptism saves ==