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:::::::The next question is: Are there contradictions in the bible? Is the bible inviolate? (Here, scholars, church teaching, and church tradition can't help you. Your response is entirely dependent on your faith). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 17:11, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::::The next question is: Are there contradictions in the bible? Is the bible inviolate? (Here, scholars, church teaching, and church tradition can't help you. Your response is entirely dependent on your faith). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 17:11, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::::The Pentecostal article below is a rebuttal of your position, and is presented here as my response. Jesus saved many people without their faith. That includes babies, Old Testament saints

::::::::The Pentecostal article below is a rebuttal of your position, and is presented here as my response. Jesus saved many people without their faith. That includes babies, Old Testament saints, and all pagans who never had opportunity to hear the Gospel, who ''would have accepted baptism by water and the Spirit'' if they had known of its necessity.

::::::::"''Here, scholars, church teaching, and church tradition can't help you.''" Devout scholars, church teaching, and church tradition do help. But you refuse to accept it (John 10:25-26). Your refusal is a clear example of classic [[Confirmation bias]]. All of the centuries-old consistent understanding of the Bible by all of Christendom ''based on the Bible'' is held in contempt by you. Even when presented with an abundance of scripture alone which demolishes the house of credobaptist doctrine as clearly opposed to the Bible, you reject it. [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2023%3A38 Matthew 23:38]. I had thought that you were a person of honest Christian integrity dedicated to the truth of the Bible. From the way you worded some of your answers I believe that you actually refused ''on principle'' to read the authoritative Bible texts and sources linked for immediate access which contradict credobaptism. Look at the article on [[Enmity]]. <br> Some of the people who read this page when I showed it to them said you were being sarcastic, and are someone who always has to have to have the "last word" no matter what is said. They told me I was wasting all my time and energy on this page in a pointless exercise of unending futility. They said if you ever change your mind, it won't be because of me. They said just leave it to the Lord and he will deal with you. <br> I have been patient with you, and firm. I am also grateful. Because of your challenges I have carefully re-read the Bible like the long-ago Beroeans of [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Acts%2017%3A11 Acts 17:11], and the fruit of all this is that I have gained a much deeper insight to what it was like for Jesus to debate with the scribes and Sadducees and Pharisees who refused to listen to him even when he cited the scriptures. And I have an even deeper and more loving appreciation of Him as a true man, both fully human and fully God. The result of this research was the abundance of Bible texts cited in context all down this page which clearly support the doctrine of regenerative baptism against credobaptism "salvation by faith alone ''[[sola fide]]''". I had constant recourse to the help of [[Strong's|Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with its Hebrew and Greek dictionaries of the Old and New Testaments]]. I will have no more to do with you, as Paul advised [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A10 Titus 3:10]. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::::"''Here, scholars, church teaching, and church tradition can't help you.''" Devout scholars, church teaching, and church tradition do help. But you refuse to accept it (John 10:25-26). Your refusal is a clear example of classic [[Confirmation bias]]. All of the centuries-old consistent understanding of the Bible by all of Christendom ''based on the Bible'' is held in contempt by you. Even when presented with an abundance of scripture alone which demolishes the house of credobaptist doctrine as clearly opposed to the Bible, you reject it. [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2023%3A38 Matthew 23:38]. I had thought that you were a person of honest Christian integrity dedicated to the truth of the Bible. From the way you worded some of your answers I believe that you actually refused ''on principle'' to read the authoritative Bible texts and sources linked for immediate access which contradict credobaptism. Look at the article on [[Enmity]]. <br> Some of the people who read this page when I showed it to them said you were being sarcastic, and are someone who always has to have to have the "last word" no matter what is said. They told me I was wasting all my time and energy on this page in a pointless exercise of unending futility. They said if you ever change your mind, it won't be because of me. They said just leave it to the Lord and he will deal with you. <br> I have been patient with you, and firm. I am also grateful. Because of your challenges I have carefully re-read the Bible like the long-ago Beroeans of [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Acts%2017%3A11 Acts 17:11], and the fruit of all this is that I have gained a much deeper insight to what it was like for Jesus to debate with the scribes and Sadducees and Pharisees who refused to listen to him even when he cited the scriptures. And I have an even deeper and more loving appreciation of Him as a true man, both fully human and fully God. The result of this research was the abundance of Bible texts cited in context all down this page which clearly support the doctrine of regenerative baptism against credobaptism "salvation by faith alone ''[[sola fide]]''". I had constant recourse to the help of [[Strong's|Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with its Hebrew and Greek dictionaries of the Old and New Testaments]]. I will have no more to do with you, as Paul advised [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A10 Titus 3:10]. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 30 October 2019 (EDT)