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:::::The Greek word for "regeneration" here in Titus 3:5 — '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' — means "rebirth", "renovation", "restoration", "regeneration". Commonly, however, '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' denotes '''the restoration of a thing to its pristine state''', its renovation, as the renewal or restoration of life after death. <br> [http://biblehub.com/greek/3067.htm Greek dictionary '''λουτρόν''' ''loutron'' "<nowiki>[the]</nowiki> washing"] <br> [http://biblehub.com/greek/3824.htm Greek dictionary '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' "regeneration"] <br> [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/titus/3-5.htm Titus 3:5 — interlinear text] <br> [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A5 Titus 3:5 — multiple versions] <br> [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/titus/3-5.htm Titus 3:5 — multiple commentaries representing the scholarship you reject]. The word "figurative" is not used in any of the commentaries on this passage, Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox. The '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' "regeneration" is not figurative rebirth, but actual spiritual rebirth, affecting the being of the one baptized, a genuine conversion of the nature of the one who has been baptized.
 
:::::The Greek word for "regeneration" here in Titus 3:5 — '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' — means "rebirth", "renovation", "restoration", "regeneration". Commonly, however, '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' denotes '''the restoration of a thing to its pristine state''', its renovation, as the renewal or restoration of life after death. <br> [http://biblehub.com/greek/3067.htm Greek dictionary '''λουτρόν''' ''loutron'' "<nowiki>[the]</nowiki> washing"] <br> [http://biblehub.com/greek/3824.htm Greek dictionary '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' "regeneration"] <br> [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/titus/3-5.htm Titus 3:5 — interlinear text] <br> [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A5 Titus 3:5 — multiple versions] <br> [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/titus/3-5.htm Titus 3:5 — multiple commentaries representing the scholarship you reject]. The word "figurative" is not used in any of the commentaries on this passage, Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox. The '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' "regeneration" is not figurative rebirth, but actual spiritual rebirth, affecting the being of the one baptized, a genuine conversion of the nature of the one who has been baptized.
 
::::: —"Seeing, then, that God has saved us by His own act, independently of any work of ours, we ask, How has He effected this? The words we are here considering give the answer to the question. The Greek should be rendered, “by the laver of regeneration,” &c. Then, by means of the laver of regeneration, &c, has God put us into a state of salvation. In other words, He has effected this by means of “baptism” (for the laver here can only signify the baptismal font, and is called the laver of regeneration because it is the vessel consecrated to the use of that [[sacrament]]), whereby, in its completeness as a sacrament, the new life in Christ is conveyed." <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:00, 3 November 2019 (EST)
 
::::: —"Seeing, then, that God has saved us by His own act, independently of any work of ours, we ask, How has He effected this? The words we are here considering give the answer to the question. The Greek should be rendered, “by the laver of regeneration,” &c. Then, by means of the laver of regeneration, &c, has God put us into a state of salvation. In other words, He has effected this by means of “baptism” (for the laver here can only signify the baptismal font, and is called the laver of regeneration because it is the vessel consecrated to the use of that [[sacrament]]), whereby, in its completeness as a sacrament, the new life in Christ is conveyed." <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:00, 3 November 2019 (EST)
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::::::Huh? Your loosing me. The text says ''washing '''with''' the word''. It does not say ''washing '''and''' the word''.
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::::::It is the same meaning James gives in his exhortation at:
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::::::::''if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like a man beholding himself in a mirror: for he beholdeth himself, and goeth away, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.''
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:::::::This is what is meant by '''cleansing with the word'''. The Word is a mirror into ourselves. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 06:56, 3 November 2019 (EST)
    
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