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Line 821: + − ::::Your citation to Romans 2 here is out of place. Paul is speaking to the unsaved, to those under Law, not under grace. The first seven chapters of Romans is all spoken to those outside the family of God. − − ::::What does it mean to be ''in Christ?'' (Romans chapter 8 and elsewhere: ''there is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ''. This stands in stark contrast to those under condemnation in Romans 2, ''he will render to every man according to his works''. To be saved means to be saved from the wrath of the Law. − − ::::I should leave it at that, however this doctrine is supported by the parable of the householder who went to hire labourers in his field (Matt 20). They all got the same pay, whether they worked one hour or all day. ''The Kingdom of God is like unto'' the householder who shortchanged the guys who labored all day and paid the bum stragglers the same amount. So no, those who are saved by grace shall not be repaid according to their works. − − ::::It's a gospel of grace, not of works. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 22:51, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
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::::Once we have an understanding of these, then we can discuss baptism. Water baptism ''does not'' give anyone an understanding of these key concepts. Spiritual baptism can accelerate the process. But dogged pride, study, and learning can get you there, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:28, 3 November 2019 (EDT)
::::Once we have an understanding of these, then we can discuss baptism. Water baptism ''does not'' give anyone an understanding of these key concepts. Spiritual baptism can accelerate the process. But dogged pride, study, and learning can get you there, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:28, 3 November 2019 (EDT)
::::Answer these questions above; don't spam the page with own comments. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:26, 3 November 2019 (EST)