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Undo revision 1591795 by Dataclarifier (talk) Do not interrupt other peoples ongoing discussions!
General comments posted here on the topic of infant baptism not directly pertaining to the structure of this article and to the sources of information cited in it will be moved to '''[[Debate: Infant baptism]]'''.
General comments posted here on the topic of infant baptism not directly pertaining to the structure of this article and to the sources of information cited in it will be moved to '''[[Debate: Infant baptism]]'''.
==More evidence those who are under grace are saved from wrath and judgement==
*John 1:12 ''As many as received him gave he power to become sons of God''
*Luke 11:11 ''Who among you if your child asks for a fish would give him a snake?''
Once we are adopted into God's family (Romans 8:15; this is the real meaning of "catholic" - those outside the covenants of Abraham) we are nolonger under God's wrath (Romans 5:9). We are saved by grace. This is the meaning of salvation by grace, we ''will not'' be repaid according to our works. Our works are as filthy rags.
Any other gospel that teaches that God's children, i.e. those adopted into his family, will be repaid according to their works, is no gospel at all. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:06, 5 November 2019 (EST)
:What happens if you shoot someone on Fifth Avenue? Asking for an orange friend. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 17:20, 5 November 2019 (EST)
::Well, if you're a child of God, I suppose the same thing would happen that happened to Moses who killed the Egyptian, David who who killed Uzziah, Jeffrey Dahmer who killed 17 gays, or O.J. Simpson who murdered his wife.
::Funny, ever think about that? Why did God choose two murderers, David and Moses, to write substantial portions of the Bible (Pentateuch, Psalms, much of Kings and Chronicles, etc)? Why did God choose two murderers to teach us about himself?
::''I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent''
::And I thank him and praise him every minute of every hour of every day for doing it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:43, 5 November 2019 (EST)
:::I'll spare you my full thoughts on Old Testament God's very stable genius. Seriously, though, are you arguing for:
:::# a kind of Calvinist "once saved, always saved", or
:::# do you actually believe it's possible to lose your golden ticket to Heaven through sufficiently wicked acts?
:::[[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 19:23, 5 November 2019 (EST)
::::Once saved, always saved. There was a time I was very skeptical of it, but Calvin convinced me. Anything else is a [[Gospel of Works]], rendering the work of Christ to no effect and making God a liar. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:32, 5 November 2019 (EST)
::::I think [[King Solomon]] is one of the best examples, although he probably died miserably and guilt ridden. OTOH, the spirit of God was taken from [[King Saul]], but that was before the ''spirit without measure'' was given. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:38, 5 November 2019 (EST)
:::::Thanks for a straightforward answer. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 21:03, 5 November 2019 (EST)
== This should be easy to resolve. ==
An easy way to resolve this matter is to have a pro-infant babtism section and an anti-infant baptism section.
Giving both perspectives is essentially what was done in the [[Petrine Primacy]] article to resolve the conflict.
Why isn't that being done in this article? It seems like such an easy way to resolve this matter.
It seems to me some diplomacy has to be shown by both sides.
I suggest reading these articles on conflict resolution skills and putting them into practice:
https://blog.hubspot.com/service/conflict-resolution-skills
https://www.eaglesflight.com/blog/top-5-skills-needed-to-successfully-resolve-conflicts-in-the-workplace
https://www.helpguide.org/articles/relationships-communication/conflict-resolution-skills.htm
I hope this helps. [[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 17:44, 5 November 2019 (EST)
:Yes and no. The real problem is [[Salvation]]. Look at that article. It's a mess. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:48, 5 November 2019 (EST)
::It can be resolved. The [[Petrine Primacy]] article was resolved. If Wikipedia can have its Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, etc begin to create an informative article, there is no reason why Conservapedia can't do the same.
::It is just a matter of whether the parties geniunely want to resolve the matter.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 18:48, 5 November 2019 (EST)
:::Well, looking at the Salvation article, the Intro right now is a big problem - and it's been that way for years evidently. It needs substantial revision. I'm not certain I'm the guy who should begin it (like Peter Strzok, because of my partisan bias). Any help you can give there to get it started would be appreciated. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:53, 5 November 2019 (EST)
::::I have zero time to work on any articles. I am not sure when I will be free again.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 20:40, 5 November 2019 (EST)