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→‎Faith of child: sample of beginning of list of scripture supporting baptismal regeneration to illustrate what list is meant to be shown to an eight year old to ask them what they see as the meaning of the verses
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:::::::I condemn a defective and false faith, as did all of Protestantism, Orthodoxy and Catholicism in the 16th century, a faith that they all condemned as an antichrist doctrine contradicting the Bible itself, the '''''credobaptist doctrine of salvation by faith alone''''' to be believed and confessed before participating in the performance of a testimonial symbolic baptism which excludes from salvation all newborns, infants, babies and children in arms who die, simply because they do not believe and do not confess with their lips unto salvation that Jesus Christ died for them as their own personal Lord and Savior and teaches that when they die without believing and confessing this faith alone they are condemned to suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire and have no rest by day or by night. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:50, 7 November 2019 (EST)
 
:::::::I condemn a defective and false faith, as did all of Protestantism, Orthodoxy and Catholicism in the 16th century, a faith that they all condemned as an antichrist doctrine contradicting the Bible itself, the '''''credobaptist doctrine of salvation by faith alone''''' to be believed and confessed before participating in the performance of a testimonial symbolic baptism which excludes from salvation all newborns, infants, babies and children in arms who die, simply because they do not believe and do not confess with their lips unto salvation that Jesus Christ died for them as their own personal Lord and Savior and teaches that when they die without believing and confessing this faith alone they are condemned to suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire and have no rest by day or by night. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:50, 7 November 2019 (EST)
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::::::::No one believes in [[Bible|God's word]] as long as they reject this [[Talk:Infant baptism/Archive 01#Regenerative salvation by water and the Spirit: water baptism saves|plain and simple-to-understand list of clear biblical passages requiring salvation by water baptism and the Spirit.]] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 02:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br>Show the list to any eight-year-old who has had no Bible training and no exposure to introductory theology and ask her and him what they see and what the words simply mean. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 02:22, 7 November 2019 (EST)
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::::::::No one believes in [[Bible|God's word]] as long as they reject this [[Talk:Infant baptism/Archive 01#Regenerative salvation by water and the Spirit: water baptism saves|plain and simple-to-understand list of clear biblical passages requiring salvation by water baptism and the Spirit.]] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 02:13, 7 November 2019 (EST)<br>Show the list to any eight-year-old who has had no Bible training and no exposure to introductory theology and ask her and him what they see and what the words simply mean.  
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::::::::::Unless one is regenerated by water and the Spirit, one cannot enter the kingdom of God. John 3:5<br>Baptism saves you now. 1 Peter 3:21<br>Go forth and make disciples of all nations, Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19 . . . <br>''and so on all the way to the end of the list''.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 02:22, 7 November 2019 (EST)
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The thief on the cross who repented was not water baptised, yet Jesus said to him, "Today you will be with me in Paradise."  At the same time, I do think people should get baptised AFTER they become a Christian.  
 
The thief on the cross who repented was not water baptised, yet Jesus said to him, "Today you will be with me in Paradise."  At the same time, I do think people should get baptised AFTER they become a Christian.  
    
Dataclarifier, I believe in the God's word.  So you are entirely incorrect in your statement.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 02:25, 7 November 2019 (EST)
 
Dataclarifier, I believe in the God's word.  So you are entirely incorrect in your statement.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 02:25, 7 November 2019 (EST)
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:You don't believe in God's word, and I am correct in my statement. You don't believe the Bible. Not as long as you reject what the Bible says is required to enter the kingdom of God. The Thief on the Cross was saved by baptism of desire through the personal word of Jesus because he was unable to receive it ''but would have if he could have''. We also have his word and are required to submit when we are able. If we reject his word we reject him and if we reject him we reject him who sent him. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 02:36, 7 November 2019 (EST)
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