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| | ::*Yep. Let's begin - ''That which is flesh is flesh. That which is spirit is spirit. God is a spirit....These '''words''' that I speak unto you, they are '''spirit''', and they are '''life'''''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:59, 7 November 2019 (EST) | | ::*Yep. Let's begin - ''That which is flesh is flesh. That which is spirit is spirit. God is a spirit....These '''words''' that I speak unto you, they are '''spirit''', and they are '''life'''''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:59, 7 November 2019 (EST) |
| | :*And account the forbearance of our Lord as '''salvation'''. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of [[Antinomianism|lawless]] men and lose your own stability. 2 Peter 3:15-17 | | :*And account the forbearance of our Lord as '''salvation'''. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of [[Antinomianism|lawless]] men and lose your own stability. 2 Peter 3:15-17 |
| − | ::*It's clear what you are trying to say here. Go ahead, blame the Catholic Epistles of Paul for Protestantism. But who is ''rightly dividing the word of truth when Jesus (not Paul) said, ''That which is flesh is flesh, that which is spirit is spirit''. You yourself claim Catholic doctrine teaches that '''baptism is not of the flesh'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:59, 7 November 2019 (EST) | + | ::*It's clear what you are trying to say here. Go ahead, blame the Catholic Epistles of Paul for Protestantism. But who is ''rightly dividing the word of truth'' when Jesus (not Paul) said, ''That which is flesh is flesh, that which is spirit is spirit''. You yourself claim Catholic doctrine teaches that '''baptism is not of the flesh'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:59, 7 November 2019 (EST) |
| | :*You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 2 Timothy 2:1-2 <br> (''often cited by many Churches as support for [[apostolic succession]]'') | | :*You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 2 Timothy 2:1-2 <br> (''often cited by many Churches as support for [[apostolic succession]]'') |
| | :*I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser: Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean by the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If a man does not abide in me he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned. John 15:1-6 | | :*I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser: Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean by the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If a man does not abide in me he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned. John 15:1-6 |