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Debate: Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 07:43, November 8, 2019
, 07:43, November 8, 2019→Bring forth the scriptures that say "baptism cannot save": reply
:::It's not enough for you to find Scriptural interpretations and push them downhill towards others for them to deal with. You have to roll those that miss the mark back uphill or at least to help others do the same. Not to ignore others' refutations and repeat rolling down the same interpretations or to suddenly disappear. That kind of spamming ends up not solving any problem. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 00:36, 8 November 2019 (EST)
:::It's not enough for you to find Scriptural interpretations and push them downhill towards others for them to deal with. You have to roll those that miss the mark back uphill or at least to help others do the same. Not to ignore others' refutations and repeat rolling down the same interpretations or to suddenly disappear. That kind of spamming ends up not solving any problem. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 00:36, 8 November 2019 (EST)
::The Gospel of John, chapter 3, states "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God".
::One apostle thought that there were two kinds of baptisms: the baptism of repentence and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and that the second supersedes the old. I agree, but think either type of baptism are public dedications and purifications.
::I also think "born of water" is the baptism of repentence. If it's not being used because it's superseded, the intentions are included in the new baptism in the form of a renunciation of a person's past misdeeds ("of the flesh"). This assumes being "born of the Spirit" is accepting the mantle of the Holy Spirit ("of the spirit").
::Finally I think one is "born" of water or the Spirit when one either determines to repent or to become a disciple of Christ, respectively, and that either baptism is a public ceremony of commitment of the dedication and purification of the "birth" that had already begun. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 02:43, 8 November 2019 (EST)