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::Finally I think one is "born" of water or the Spirit when one either determines to repent or to become a disciple of Christ, respectively, and that either baptism is a public ceremony of commitment of the dedication and purification of the "birth" that had already begun. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 02:43, 8 November 2019 (EST)
 
::Finally I think one is "born" of water or the Spirit when one either determines to repent or to become a disciple of Christ, respectively, and that either baptism is a public ceremony of commitment of the dedication and purification of the "birth" that had already begun. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 02:43, 8 November 2019 (EST)
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:::Infant baptism? If infants can be dedicated to being raised in a certain religious order, why shouldn't they be able to be dedicated to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 03:13, 8 November 2019 (EST)
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