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::::Once a person gets to the place where they are thankful that they ''will not'' be repaid according to their works - this is the meaning of true repentance and finding salvation. Babies, infants, children, and even kids into their teens for the most part don't have a dirty conscience for all the dirty deeds they've done unto others or faithlessness (pride) they have toward God. Speaking as one who grew up under this teaching I can say this - the doctrine of infant baptism is a manifestation of pride. It teaches that one is adopted into God's family as a matter of birthright and that there is no need for faith (''faith cometh by hearing'' - there is no need to hear God's Word), and there is no need for repentance (except under Law, where trespasses then are divided into felony and misdemeanor classes, mortal and venereal sin, etc), and flushes ''the free gift of God'' down the toilet. It is pride - the original sin (Proverbs: ''these 7 things doth the Lord hate'', and #1 on the list is pride). Pride says "I don't need you God, I'll win my own salvation by my own works." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 10:21, 8 November 2019 (EST)

::::Once a person gets to the place where they are thankful that they ''will not'' be repaid according to their works - this is the meaning of true repentance and finding salvation. Babies, infants, children, and even kids into their teens for the most part don't have a dirty conscience for all the dirty deeds they've done unto others or faithlessness (pride) they have toward God. Speaking as one who grew up under this teaching I can say this - the doctrine of infant baptism is a manifestation of pride. It teaches that one is adopted into God's family as a matter of birthright and that there is no need for faith (''faith cometh by hearing'' - there is no need to hear God's Word), and there is no need for repentance (except under Law, where trespasses then are divided into felony and misdemeanor classes, mortal and venereal sin, etc), and flushes ''the free gift of God'' down the toilet. It is pride - the original sin (Proverbs: ''these 7 things doth the Lord hate'', and #1 on the list is pride). Pride says "I don't need you God, I'll win my own salvation by my own works." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 10:21, 8 November 2019 (EST)

:::But it's dedicated Christian parents who love (a love first infused in them by Christ) as well as hold up a stricter standard (raising the child as a disciple) through which God infuses motions toward justice to the character of their baptized infant before the child has free will—the means of fighting original sin from the beginning.  One added benefit of this is that they won't despair as much about whether they have a big enough capacity to fight actual sin later on in life. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 11:08, 8 November 2019 (EST)

:::But it's dedicated Christian parents who love (a love first infused in them by Christ) as well as hold up a stricter standard (raising the child as a disciple) through which God infuses motions toward justice to the character of their baptized infant before the child has free will—the means of fighting original sin from the beginning[, but which can only be achieved with God's help].  One added benefit of this is that they won't despair as much about whether they have a big enough capacity to fight actual sin later on in life. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 11:08, 8 November 2019 (EST) [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 11:55, 8 November 2019 (EST)

::::Humbling yourself before God is the only way to seek repentance from original sin - pride - the sin of Lucifer rejecting God to ''worship and serve the creature'' (himself) which Adam likewise, by free will, decided to follow. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 11:33, 8 November 2019 (EST)

::::Humbling yourself before God is the only way to seek repentance from original sin - pride - the sin of Lucifer rejecting God to ''worship and serve the creature'' (himself) which Adam likewise, by free will, decided to follow. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]} 11:33, 8 November 2019 (EST)