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Debate: Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 01:03, November 10, 2019
, 01:03, November 10, 2019→Discussion 107: Justification of the ungodly means remission of sins: who can be baptized?
::::Recognizing our flawed nature and wanting to do something about. There are three paths one can take: (1) reject God, become an atheist, and think you can improve yourself or work out your own salvation (in this sense, salvation does not refer to the hereafter. Salvation begins the moment a person is spiritually born). Rejection of God is just Pride, or original sin coming to full fruition. (2) Hear the word of God but never do anything about it. These people a genuinely serious about wanting salvation from sin (in this life) but don't quite trust or believe God that he is serious about his promises. It's a lack of faith. Again, faith is not an intellectual doctrine that must be fully comprehended or a work to perform. It is the faith of child that is necessary. IOWs, adults might have some unlearning to do about the "wisdom of this world" to have faith in God and his promise of salvation (from sin, in this life. A gigantic Satanic lie is that salvation is just a promise of an afterlife). (3) Have the faith of child and accept God for who he is, and believe what God says about you and sin is true. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:40, 9 November 2019 (EST)
::::Recognizing our flawed nature and wanting to do something about. There are three paths one can take: (1) reject God, become an atheist, and think you can improve yourself or work out your own salvation (in this sense, salvation does not refer to the hereafter. Salvation begins the moment a person is spiritually born). Rejection of God is just Pride, or original sin coming to full fruition. (2) Hear the word of God but never do anything about it. These people a genuinely serious about wanting salvation from sin (in this life) but don't quite trust or believe God that he is serious about his promises. It's a lack of faith. Again, faith is not an intellectual doctrine that must be fully comprehended or a work to perform. It is the faith of child that is necessary. IOWs, adults might have some unlearning to do about the "wisdom of this world" to have faith in God and his promise of salvation (from sin, in this life. A gigantic Satanic lie is that salvation is just a promise of an afterlife). (3) Have the faith of child and accept God for who he is, and believe what God says about you and sin is true. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:40, 9 November 2019 (EST)
:::::Thank you. As able I'll digest the rest your comments and try to make an intelligent contribution of my own of some sort. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 19:59, 9 November 2019 (EST)
:::::Thank you. As able I'll digest the rest your comments and try to make an intelligent contribution of my own of some sort. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 19:59, 9 November 2019 (EST)
::::::(ec)Let me go back to point (2) cause it ties in directly with much teaching on infant baptism. The premise as articulated is that, water baptism sprinkled over your forehead at birth or any age guarantees you a place in the afterlife, provided you don't blow it. Leaving aside a discussion of [[eternal security]] for now, let's focus on that vague promise that still is dependent on you and not the finished work of Jesus on the cross. Salvation begins the moment one is adopted into God's family - salvation from sin. And this is attested to throughout the entire scripture - beginning with the laws about cleansing the leper. Citations are too numerous to reiterate here (begin with Lev 23 if your interested). But the leper, those cast outside the camp or city wall and picking rags out the city dump at Gehenna, needed to present themselves to the priest for readmission into the body or congregation. The priest stood between them and the rest of the camp, between life and death. If the priest approved all their ritual cleansing, they were saved from fires of Gehenna and re-entered the family God. Christ now is our High Priest and advocate who admits us into eternal life and fellowship with God.
::::::Oh, and thanks for your posting from ''Civitas Dei''. It's been many years and I enjoyed rereading those passages. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:03, 9 November 2019 (EST)