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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 23:24, November 17, 2019
, 23:24, November 17, 2019→Bring forth the scriptures that say "baptism cannot save"
:::::::::By faith. Psalm 82 says, ''Ye are gods''. A parent stands in the place of God. A nursing infant has ''the faith of a child.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:51, 17 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::By faith. Psalm 82 says, ''Ye are gods''. A parent stands in the place of God. A nursing infant has ''the faith of a child.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:51, 17 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::::You said "''The issue is salvation. And what is required for salvation. The answer is metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" Ask a newborn what it thinks of God, sin, and what God says about sin. Please explain how an infant who does not know how to speak or understand what is good or bad is capable of this conscious choice of fulfilling what you say is the requirement of "''metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''". --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:06, 17 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::::You said "''The issue is salvation. And what is required for salvation. The answer is metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" Ask a newborn what it thinks of God, sin, and what God says about sin. Please explain how an infant who does not know how to speak or understand what is good or bad is capable of this conscious choice of fulfilling what you say is the requirement of "''metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''". --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:06, 17 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::::Let's look at several passages from John:
:::::::::::*''these words I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life''
:::::::::::*''My sheep hear My voice;''
:::::::::::*''I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice.'' (this refers to the gentile church as fully articulated in the Catholic Epistles of Paul).
:::::::::::*''No one can snatch them out of My hand.'' ("''No one"'', presumably not even the sinner).
:::::::::::*''“Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—'' (refer back to earlier discussion on John 1:27, ''No man hath seen God at anytime'', and Exodus 33:11, ''The Lord spoke to Moses face to face'')
:::::::::::*''then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world?'' (also in John is ''the word became flesh'').
:::::::::::This obviously is only a partial discussion. But to refute or dispute any of this, you have to ''compare spiritual with spiritual''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:24, 17 November 2019 (EST)