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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 00:53, November 18, 2019
, 00:53, November 18, 2019→Bring forth the scriptures that say "baptism cannot save": comment on "requirement of salvation" with RobSmith's own words in contrast to Catholic merciful doctrine of the saving Sacrament of Baptism
:::::::::::*''then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world?'' (also in John is ''the word became flesh'').
:::::::::::*''then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world?'' (also in John is ''the word became flesh'').
:::::::::::This obviously is only a partial discussion. But to refute or dispute any of this, you have to ''compare spiritual with spiritual''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:24, 17 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::::This obviously is only a partial discussion. But to refute or dispute any of this, you have to ''compare spiritual with spiritual''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:24, 17 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::::::You said, "''Salvation is by grace. You must have the mind of Christ, without which no man can see God (or see the Kingdom of God). It's pretty simple. It's not rocket science. God never intended it to be a scholarly exercise. It's gotta be simple enough for a child to understand.''"<br>No newborn infant is capable of this understanding if the infant dies shortly after birth. <br> You said, "''You must have the '''mind of Christ''', without which no man can see God (or see the Kingdom of God). . . . It's gotta be '''simple enough for a child to understand'''.''" <br> According to your own doctrine, in your own words, "''You '''must''' have the mind of Christ, '''without which no man can see God''' (or see the Kingdom of God)''" <br>A helpless newborn infant, baby, child in arms that cannot walk or understand the mind of Christ "'''''without which no man can see God'''''" (according to your own words) does not have cognitive ability to understand the gospel '''simple enough for a child to understand''', does not "have the mind of Christ", cannot "confess with the lips" (Romans 10:9), and therefore cannot fulfill your requirement for salvation, <br>"''what is required for salvation. The answer is metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" <br>'''Your doctrine requires this to be saved'''. <br> A newborn baby and infant, a child in arms, is utterly incapable of being able to fulfill what you yourself say is "''required for salvation. . .repentance - a change of heart and '''change of mind'''. A change of heart and mind in'' [the infant's] ''attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" A newborn infant who dies shortly after birth is incapable of "changing its mind" of "changing its heart" or understanding anything intelligent before it dies. According to "what is required for salvation", that is, the requirement of your own doctrine, this newborn who died did not fulfill the "requirement for salvation...metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''"<br> Mainstream Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic doctrine instead, more mercifully based on the authority of the Bible itself according to the very Word of God ("''baptism saves you now''"), faithfully baptizes helpless infants "''while we were yet helpless''" for their salvation, because Jesus himself says, "''Except one be regenerated by water and the Spirit, one cannot enter the kingdom of God''", and "by the washing of water with the word" saves them "''in virtue of his own mercy, by the water-washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we may be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life." '''John 3:5; Ephesians 5:25-27; Titus 3:5'''.<small>(''Baptism of desire and Baptism of blood are covered in the main article.'')</small>