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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 01:36, November 18, 2019
, 01:36, November 18, 2019→Bring forth the scriptures that say "baptism cannot save"
:::::::::::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:21, 17 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:21, 17 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::::::::Not necessary. A newborn infant is incapable of your requirement: A helpless newborn infant, baby, child in arms that cannot walk or understand the mind of Christ "'''''without which no man can see God'''''" (according to your own words) does not have cognitive ability to understand the gospel '''simple enough for a child to understand''', does not "have the mind of Christ", cannot "confess with the lips" (Romans 10:9), and therefore cannot fulfill your requirement for salvation, <br>"''what is required for salvation. The answer is metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" <br>'''Your doctrine requires this to be saved'''. <br> A newborn baby and infant, a child in arms, is utterly incapable of being able to fulfill what you yourself say is "''required for salvation. . .repentance - a change of heart and '''change of mind'''. A change of heart and mind in'' [the infant's] ''attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 20:28, 17 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::::::::Not necessary. A newborn infant is incapable of your requirement: A helpless newborn infant, baby, child in arms that cannot walk or understand the mind of Christ "'''''without which no man can see God'''''" (according to your own words) does not have cognitive ability to understand the gospel '''simple enough for a child to understand''', does not "have the mind of Christ", cannot "confess with the lips" (Romans 10:9), and therefore cannot fulfill your requirement for salvation, <br>"''what is required for salvation. The answer is metanoia - repentance - a change of heart and change of mind. A change of heart and mind in your attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" <br>'''Your doctrine requires this to be saved'''. <br> A newborn baby and infant, a child in arms, is utterly incapable of being able to fulfill what you yourself say is "''required for salvation. . .repentance - a change of heart and '''change of mind'''. A change of heart and mind in'' [the infant's] ''attitude toward God, sin, and what God says about sin.''" --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 20:28, 17 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::::::::::''Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation—'' 1 Peter 2:2
:::::::::::::::says nothing of water baptism What your doctrine is distinctly lacking is, ''a desire for pure spiritual milk''. Your doctrine is grounded and focused on condemnation - the threat of hell (which of course, ''is no gospel at all''). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:36, 17 November 2019 (EST)