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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 14:53, November 18, 2019
, 14:53, November 18, 2019→Cruel doctrine
*We are buried with Christ '''in baptism''', in which we are raised again through faith in '''the working of God, God making us alive together with him'''. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%202%3A12 Colossians 2:12] [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%2012%3A13 and 2:13]
*We are buried with Christ '''in baptism''', in which we are raised again through faith in '''the working of God, God making us alive together with him'''. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%202%3A12 Colossians 2:12] [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%2012%3A13 and 2:13]
:*Here, the poster faces a real problem; (a) he argues that infant water baptism is figurative, while (b) also quoting ''baptism saves you now'', but then (c) denies salvation in the flesh and claims it only applies to an afterlife. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 09:11, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:*Here, the poster faces a real problem; (a) he argues that infant water baptism is figurative, while (b) also quoting ''baptism saves you now'', but then (c) denies salvation in the flesh and claims it only applies to an afterlife. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 09:11, 18 November 2019 (EST)
::Let's break it down:
::*''buried with Christ in baptism'' - obvious use of figurative language if you are speaking of water baptism;
::*''in which we are raised again through faith'' - in spiritual language we are resurrected to life ''through faith'';
::*''in the working of God'' - the finished work of Christ on the cross ('''John 19:30, Hebrews 4:10''')
::*''God making us alive together with him'' - the proper interpretation of 1 Peter 3:21, ''baptism saves you now.
::What also may be helpful is Hebrews 4:2 - ''the word preached did not profit them (Israel in the wilderness), not being mixed with faith in them that heard it;'' to reiterate, ''the word not mixed with faith'' led to condemnation and judgement.
:::*''faith cometh by hearing''
:::*''the faith of a child'' - Jesus is specifically speaking to unsaved adults, not children, as you repeatedly misuse this verse as core to your doctrine;
:::*''He that has ears to hear, let him hear'', just make sure it is ''mixed with faith'', i.e. trust in God's word (''the faith of a child''; lay down ''the wisdom of this world''). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 09:53, 18 November 2019 (EST)
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*To the thirsty I will give water without price from the fountain of the water of life. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation%2021%3A6 Revelation 21:6]
*To the thirsty I will give water without price from the fountain of the water of life. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation%2021%3A6 Revelation 21:6]